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There is very little more contemptible and pathetic than those who pour poison in the ears of others from the refuge of anonymity. WIRES Board is democratically ELECTED every year. Every WIRES member has the opportunity to participate in the process. Not everyong [sic] will be happy - I didn't like eleven years of John Howard as PM - but his election was democratic. So is WIRES Board. If you don't like the Board vote it out, starting in your own branch AGMs. Cowardly and anonymous whining is purely destructive. No thanks; I dont want a subscription.

- Stan Wood  -  Former chair of WIRES Board.

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Possom
# Used as Live baitPossom 2015-02-24 11:42
I am frustrated and disappointed that WIRES management appear to be doing nothing regarding the use of possums as live bait in greyhound racing.
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Blossom
# Who's on the BoardBlossom 2015-02-16 10:59
It's nearly been six months and members have not been informed on who the new Board is? Since this information is not given by WIRES or listed in any minutes maybe someone out there knows? How are they voted in and why are members are not informed when this happens?
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Mary Smith
# SnowJobMary Smith 2015-02-27 22:04
Forget about the board-focus instead on the absolute snow job being rammed down Branches necks with the new training.What an absolute joke this is.No branch input.Lies about the item being disuccsed at council meetings.More than doubling the fees but no money to the branches.Branch trainers not allowed to see the content.orders about how many rics need to be held.I cant belive how out of touch these idiots are.
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Mixy
# RE: Who's on the BoardMixy 2015-03-25 22:26
Check with your branch Council Rep and ask them to find out and let you and your branch members know. This should be available to all members. If you find out can you please let the rest of us know here? Thanks
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Ballsy
# RE: Who's on the BoardBallsy 2015-08-12 11:53
This is all secret business Blossom. Not for pesky members to know. Look up board members 5 years back and could be the same not much changes.
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Blossom
# RE: Who's on the BoardBlossom 2015-10-06 16:26
Here you go.
Chair - Bill Thompson
Vice Chair - Vanessa Martin
Treasurer - Jim Watt
Secretary - Merrilee VerHoeven
Rhonda Hansen
Wayne Layers
Tony Howle
Kim Strong
Bill Fortier
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Neville Nobody
# DemocrapcyNeville Nobody 2013-11-21 07:39
Stan woods commented that the board are democratically elected.

Not so.

If you speak out before the election you are censured without right of reply that means you cannot vote despite being a paid up member.
DEMOCRATIC. I think not.
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Member
# RE: DemocrapcyMember 2013-12-04 06:59
if it was democratic those on the board who bully and have no idea of leadership would have been voted out by the membership years ago. WIRES would have a board elected by everyone and be respected.
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Dom
# Penguin exploitationDom 2013-10-07 00:12
Have you heard about the arrival of a Fiordland Crested Penguin in Tarthra on the Far South Coast. The bird is being looked after by the local WIRES Branch (Far South East) and according to one source it is allegedly being used as a fund raiser where people are CHARGED MONEY to photograph it. That's illegal, right? Is OEH doing anything about investigating this?
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Bunny
# RE: Penguin exploitationBunny 2013-10-07 11:39
Does OEH know about it? As they can't do anything if they do not know!
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Bugs
# RE: Penguin exploitationBugs 2013-10-14 09:51
The NSW government and OEH have had received complains for years and ignore them. The question is why does WIRES get government backing and protection
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mary knobbs
# theknobbmary knobbs 2014-05-18 07:18
this person is one of the top wires bullies
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Gen X
# NWCGen X 2013-06-18 16:23
I don't think even with WIRES on the executive that anything was done. What are the NWC achievements since its inception in 2006?
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guest
# RE: NWCguest 2013-06-20 11:09
It should be looking after the interests of all wildlife carers and making sure OEH is enforcing the code to protect wildlife. Needs to be pro active in the public arena as wires is doing and raise its profile.
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Ann Brown
# MsAnn Brown 2013-07-01 11:33
Wires has raised it's profile alright - even wildlife carers in Queensland use it as a reason for smaller groups NOT to amalgamate into a larger one. If Wires cared for it's carers - why are they leaving in droves? I know of one branch in particular is imploding and there is serious talk of forming a break away group - very possible or should I say inevitable. If the public really knew what Wires is doing they would be horrified and the funds would quickly dry up.
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Kylie
# RE: MsKylie 2013-07-05 13:53
Hi Ann, There is merit in amalgamation but you need a good set of governance rules, with turn over in all positions, and a way out if management aren't performing. It is a shame that the WIRES name has been given such a bad reputation as most members are hard working and deeply care for wildlife. There are a few ego maniacs at the top who have been there forever and spoil it for everybody.
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Sick of it
# RE: MsSick of it 2013-07-11 10:32
Hi Ann, There are many of us ready to go to the media about the goings on of the WIRES management. Get your statements ready and join us. So much for the NWC representing members they have stood around for years watching this happen as have NPWS and fair trading.
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victim of wires
# victim of wiresvictim of wires 2013-07-16 07:13
The website set up by the victims of CSRIO resulted in the government having an enquiry by Piper Lawyers into the way workers were treated and bullied. Shame on the government for not doing the same for the victim volunteer workers in Wires. The government must be following all that is revealed on this site yet do nothing.
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Ann Brown
# RE: MsAnn Brown 2013-07-16 16:50
I already have. Will gather more though, especially macs left to die due to no shooters being authorised by Wires. Is it true that Four Corners are looking into the problems?
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Peter
# RE: MsPeter 2013-07-22 09:27
Hi Ann Brown others want to know if anyone has gone to Four Corners. They want a reputable investigative journalist to look at everything and present a truthful and fair report. Four corners would be great but everyone who has been harmed needs to work together. Best if Domino is told.
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Ann Brown
# RE: MsAnn Brown 2013-07-25 16:04
I heard that Four Corners has been asking around, but apart from that I don't know. I have all my paperwork sorted for whoever. Perhaps Domino can get the ball rolling. I think we need someone who is excellent at presenting the facts and is knowledgeable across the many problems we are facing.
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Ann Brown
# RE: MsAnn Brown 2013-07-25 16:20
2nd post.
Is it possible for Domino to be a coordinator and have people who wish to go public send their contact details to Domino, that way if Four Corners picks up the story we are seen to have a united front.
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Sam
# RE: MsSam 2013-07-29 09:41
Yes I agree, could people's information be held in confidence by Domino?
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Ann Brown
# MsAnn Brown 2013-08-03 16:20
If we can't trust Domino who then,
I believe that there are many people who have justifiable grievences and we need to have a co-ordinator to liaise between the media and be able to pass on people's contact information. Then it is up to those people to decide for themselves if they want to go public and remedy this bullying situation, or keep their concerns to themselves and not do anything to fix the problem. For too long now people have been complaining but until now no one has had the guts to do anything. T?he situation will only worsen. Here where I am there is only 1 shooter for a huge area so injured animals are left to die alongside the road. Also with the new directive about ordering milk we often run out and members are forced to buy it from the local vet at $40 kg. Where is the public's donated money going - certainly not to the carers. Wires sprout WHS but what branch has a safety officer? Too many problems to count and all OEH can say "it's an internal Wires matter", the only people who can help us is ourselves. Open up a festering wound and treat it - the only way to recovery.
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Bunny
# RE: MsBunny 2014-03-01 18:34
Members were told to euthanize Kangaroos and wombats by other means which meant
a. bashing them to death
b. waiting hours for the police (who do not have the right weapon)
c. waiting hours for a vet/rspca
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Its time
# RE: MsIts time 2013-07-17 06:04
Good luck with forming a new group. WIRES was consulted when an attempt was made to form a new group where I live - the licensing unit then refused the application.
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John Farnham
# RE: Free SpeechJohn Farnham 2013-04-17 03:59
I am Spartacus, try and understand it...
I'm doing my last farewell concert again real soon.
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Mandy
# Free speech not so freeMandy 2013-04-17 21:11
# I'll repeat that ! — Mandy 2013-04-17 08:18
Funny all the Spartacus's are you trying to block the last 5 comments from showing up. I'll repeat this again and again.....
Wires snoops on you. They read what you email if you go through there site and they are after your IP address's. Is this the type of thing a NORMAL charity would do.
Does this get under someone's nose, why is it because you don't want members to know that you listen in. Wires is like the STAZI
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Julia Gillard
# RE: Free SpeechJulia Gillard 2013-04-17 03:57
My fellow Australians, I am proud to announce that I am, as of this day, Spartacus. I know not all of you will join with me in celebrating this...
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Maggie Cooper
# RE: Free SpeechMaggie Cooper 2013-04-17 03:56
Its me, I'm Spartacus
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Merrilee Verhoeven
# RE: Free SpeechMerrilee Verhoeven 2013-04-17 03:55
I am the real Spartacus
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Stan Wood
# RE: Free SpeechStan Wood 2013-04-17 03:54
I am Spartacus
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In The Know
# RE: Free SpeechIn The Know 2013-04-16 21:16
I heard Spartacus is Bernard Ashcroft too. and Merrillee Verhoven, Mike Jupp, Sally barnes, Julian Asange, Stan Wood, and and and and I don't think anyone really knows.
All I know for sure is this site has gone to shit since spartacus left.
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FERAL PEST
# HERPES HELMINTHES THE HACKER AGAINFERAL PEST 2013-04-15 17:04
Rant removed
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Reality Check
# Just a thoughtReality Check 2013-04-15 17:24
Pretty novel I know, but has anyone actually checked any of these stories to see if they are true? Either in whole or in part?

e.g. I'm sure there are horror stories in EVERY organisation and even bad moments for EVERY carer. How widespread and frequent are this bad times?

If you are in the middle of a State, hours from a carer and come across a dead mac with pinky joey, do you let it starve or euthanase? If the latter - how? Is this the way you always/usually do it or emergency?
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FERAL PEST
# HERPES HELMINTHES THE HACKER AGAINFERAL PEST 2013-04-15 17:33
Rant removed
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FERAL PEST
# HERPES HELMINTHES THE HACKER AGAINFERAL PEST 2013-04-17 21:40
Titled "Best is yet to come..."Rant removed
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Reality Check
# RE: Best is yet to come 2Reality Check 2013-04-18 15:42
Except no one wants you, your opinions, your help or anything associated with you
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Hypocrite
# RE: Best is yet to come 2Hypocrite 2013-04-18 23:37
Lets just get this straight. You accuse rw of using an isp in Panama that has bad stuff on it but you [HERPES HELMINTHES] use the TOR network. You gave out your email as @tor.org...

Re posting this because its classic-

Herpes Helminthes the proud self-confessed hacker? The guy who won't tell you (his) real name. who uses tormail on the TOR network used by hackers everywhere. Hes bragged about tor to heaps of people. Look it up:
Tor has been "described by The Economist... as being "a dark corner of the web." Anonymizing systems such as Tor are at times used for matters that are, or may be, illegal in some countries... Tor can also be used for anonymous defamation, unauthorized leaks of sensitive information, and copyright infringement, the distribution of illegal sexual content, the selling of controlled substances, money laundering, credit card fraud and identity theft; the black market which utilizes the Tor infrastructure... has been used by criminal enterprises, hacktivism groups (such as Anonymous), and law enforcement agencies at cross purposes, sometimes simultaneously."

Helen or is it Karen? You made a mistake there Helen is one of his other hacker names.

Go on, talk to a self confessed gutter licker who uses an anonymity network loved by child pornographers, drug dealers, and identity thieves all over the world.

Crashing sound of glass houses! Idiot!
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FERAL PEST
# HERPES HELMINTHES THE HACKER AGAINFERAL PEST 2013-04-19 05:13
Rant removed
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Proof in the pudding
# RE: Just a thoughtProof in the pudding 2013-04-16 11:56
Reality check, you can check out the stories yourself, read the WSC meeting minutes, policies and constitution.

WIRES did have a avenue to let members express their views and discuss issues that effected them, it was called the WIRES discussion pages. These were private pages that WIRES members could see but every time the Board deemed the thread/converstaion controversal or critical of them they closed it down. I'm suprised that this type of website/blog wasn't started sooner. I guess you have to had left WIRES to start it otherwise you would be hunted down and gotten rid of.

What this site has uncovered and made public is the that the problem is the people running the place the Board. The theme running through every story is that the poor treatment of volunteer members, not following there own policies and Constitution. What is needed is people with skills to volunteer to run WIRES. Many members have received badly written condensending and threatening letters from the Board, others have been forced to resign or just resigned due to digust.

We are now seeing the result that many volunteer members have left the organisation and that WIRES can only provide a wildlife rescue service of up to 30-50% of each branch territory. I imagine that other wildlife groups can verify this as there rescue rates and calls would have increased dramatically. Call any vet clinic and ask them how long it takes for an animal to be picked up? Most vets prefer to call another organisation before WIRES.
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Wildlife R Us
# RE: Just a thoughtWildlife R Us 2013-04-16 19:21
There are only a few times when there are no other means of euthanasia available and what has to be done has to be done. However, this particular person advocates this as her main means of euthanasia. There are many true stories involving Helen George from too many different sources to be disregarded or ignored.
"Even bad moments for every Carer" pretty much occurs every time you come across that school of thought.
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In The Know
# RE: Spartacus Contact Details 3In The Know 2013-04-16 21:02
i also heard he was spartacus too. so is Mike jJupp so I'm told
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Spartacus For Real
# Going Bye BuysSpartacus For Real 2013-04-13 05:36
Can I post this without moderation?
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Spartacus For Real
# RE: Going Bye BuysSpartacus For Real 2013-04-13 05:37
It would seem I can - bye bye. You don't need me any more.

S.
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FERAL PEST
# HERPES HELMINTHES THE HACKER AGAINFERAL PEST 2013-04-15 17:13
Tilted: Yes, piss off then you jerk. Rant removed
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Spartacus for Real
# RE: Yes, piss off then you jerkSpartacus for Real 2013-04-16 21:20
Thanks for your input.
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Bottom Feeder
# What were you thinking?Bottom Feeder 2013-03-18 12:39
Why does this site state "Unless rw.com is raided by the Feds ... " - as written on 16 October 2011

It is an odd thing to have on a site such as this. Why did you write it?

{I was being dramatic - not that I need to answer your question. Heaven knows with all these break-ins and marauding "hackers" about the Feds would need to take a number and wait their turn. Not that you'd know anything about that of course. And why "an odd thing" you say? You're doing it again and not too subtly: Load the premise but don't justify it - all that innuendo - all that smear - a skid mark from ear to ear. That was poetic licence - I'd better watch out as WIRES will try to revoke it. S.}
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Bachelor of Arse {and a homophobe to boot. S.}
# RE: What were you thinking?Bachelor of Arse {and a homophobe to boot. S.} 2013-03-22 09:15
Oh OK, you were just writing that to be a Drama Queen - fair enough. The members of this group love it when you go hyperbolic to paint yourself as an anonymous hero of enormous power, even if it makes us look like a pack of jerks and undermines our cause to reform wires.

When you write about break ins, is that shit you are making up for some reason as well?

Why do you talk this rubbish? Is it because you are dumber than a sack of hair?

regards,
B of A

{Dear B.A. - there have been hacking events galore and break ins (rumour is one happened only last weekend) - you don't know that because no one will talk to you because you have proved again and again to be treacherous - that's why your style of "reform" keeps failing. What are you calling your "reform group of one" - "Wires Reform I". Tut ta. S.}
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Focus
# RE: What were you thinking?Focus 2013-03-23 20:01
Keep focused you two, we should be looking to reform WIRES not taking cheap shots at each other. Any more stories Spartacus there hasn't been one for a while?

{Nice to see you supporting the hacker. This guy is the HACKER! He's not just some minor inconvenience - he is outright dangerous to anyone who comes in contact with him as history has demonstrated. He hacked this site - stole what he could (I didn't leave much for him to take) and he attempted to force me into revealing your identity. You may think its unimportant but wait until you get hacked or your identity is exposed - then see how focused you get. With this guy around no one is safe! If I want to toy with him I will and by doing so you are alerted to his presence and to his perennial deceit. You see, as much as it gets on my nerves, I will stick to the policy of publishing the opinions of others without censorship - even his - even yours. S.}
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Austrelaps Labialis
# Spartacus was rightAustrelaps Labialis 2013-03-24 00:02
No BA, as it turned out it wasn't shit about the break in.

And it took WIRES 5 days to notify their members about the vandalism at Head Office. No hurry guys.

If you want to know the real breaking news in wildlife care, listen to Spartacus. He got word out 4 days earlier. WIRES looks after their members - what a joke!

People like you BA make me sick. You need to look at what is happening around you and do something that will make a difference.

{I didn't get the news out - WIRES members did. That's what this messy little site is about - open communication, warts and all. S.}
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Lorry Van Driver.
# get rid of one bill and another arrives.Lorry Van Driver. 2013-03-14 19:44
Now that Keystone Cop has taken the helm we should see some reactive action to make Wires lawful and set up a form of governance and order and find out what the hell the real agenda is. It Certainly aint animal welfare.
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WIRES SVU
# RE: get rid of one bill and another arrives.WIRES SVU 2013-03-23 17:40
Keystone Cop is part of the problem! Members are treated as perps, Management teams are the police and the Board is the Judge.
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problem with the bills
# RE: get rid of one bill and another arrives.problem with the bills 2013-03-24 20:24
They give reasonable and community supporting working police officers and judges a bad name. You can find bullies anywhere. What was the group Bill the second in before Wires?
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Keystone Cop
# RE: get rid of one bill and another arrives.Keystone Cop 2013-03-25 15:45
He was involved with Waterfall Springs which is a organisation that looks after an endangered wallably breeding program. It is known that he was asked to leave, the reason is also known but unsubstantiated.
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anon
# RE: get rid of one bill and another arrives.anon 2013-03-26 11:26
Many know the reason Bill F. was asked to leave and bet he didnt disclose this to the WSC when he stood for chair.
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R Supwoods
# Play schoolR Supwoods 2013-03-14 16:54
Why do wires only send the 'To hard' jobs to other groups. Surely they have a duty of care to follow up and make sure that the rescue was completed. I recently followed up on a number and they could not find it. The little machine like [person] on the phone said they would ring me back How! she did’nt even get my name before she hung up. Maybe it was a machine. I never received a call back. I suppose the poor Hawk is still hanging off of the wire and still being attacked by the local birds. We have no way of checking. The information was wrong Wires forwarded no hard copy to be referred to. We used to call this type of information relay Chinese whispers. today it is called data transfer. My next call found the phone unanswered and a later call found the problem was not resolved in fact a mystery. Oh well the little [person] said and hung up. This is not only incompetent but lacking duty of care distressing for the MOP and cruelty. Where ever you are little fella Wires is trying very trying.

Wires seems to lack troops on the ground and experience and knowledge at the coal face. My local vet has stated I rang personally 4 times and I rang ……… a member twice. I had no choice other than to Eu. after 8 days.
His partner said to me “Wires are giving us the Shits 5 years ago wires would be on the doorstep before we put the phone down”.
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Anna Conda
# Swamps filter out the unwantedAnna Conda 2013-03-14 16:02
Dear Spartacus

You seem to be holding back. I hope that you will accept my intervention.

What the big 'S' is saying is that here at Reformwires you have free speech when you become a victim of the board as have some board members expelled and taken advantage of their free speech on this site and ex board members who have been spilling the beans and some wires board members who wish to threaten ex members who have told them what they think of them face to face and how to block their brain from drizzling out between their legs.

Further the Board should not acquiesce on the thought that Henry is an incompetent Investigator and that Spartacus is a one of the Board. Slowely Slowely Catch the Snake.

Wires will again rise from the abyss. It just requires the removal of a few bollards to bring Wires back into focus and some intelligent educated natural leaders to guide it to work alongside the community and within the ideals. Even the Herring has rolled over and the Deakin of Killara has gone to ground her association have failed to reply to questions put to them Slowely the wheel grinds to a halt/stop.

Some people do not see the writing on the wall until they have their back to it. Intelligent people know when to step aside. It is what Henry calls the Obede factor. The membership may say little but they all know when somebody is standing on their foot. ie the snake from the Wingercarribea swamp. Time to slither back into the peat bog. We have always had this soft spot for the snake.
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Mrs Bruce - Easy
# The worm turns.Mrs Bruce - Easy 2013-03-14 15:53
The sneaky slithering snake sneaks in sneaks around and sneaks out under the noses of the unsuspecting few. his branch have sent the warning message “This Sneak Snake in the grass is not representative of our branch.’ And the Board know better So just to piss off the Wingercaribbea branch they take Sneaky Snake into the Den. His poisonous fangs are poised to strike suddenly from nowhere Mrs Spartacus swings in one fell swoop the shovel to behead the viper and vipe his forked tongue from his Blockhead and save the board from a potential perilous strike. Then again. It might be a good idea to leave him in the den where we can keep an eye on him and he can spit out some Prussian Blue venom. and cause some blue bruising. One cannot blame the poor little worm as it is not a nice feeling to know that people neither like or trust you. and those who do are about to use you.
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Some person aka Spartacus
# Not my first choice and no picnic either.Some person aka Spartacus 2013-03-11 22:09
The recent criticism of me and rw is just the latest in a long line. It is a little rich and certainly loaded with agenda.

If you think for one moment I enjoy producing this website or that this is my preferred way of instigating change then you are both wrong and thoughtless. I would much prefer to see change occur through considered argument, thoughtful and courteous debate, in a properly mediated and fair forum operating in a broader democratic system. WIRES does not offer that.

For at least 8 years WIRES has operated in a manner totally other to that described above. “Mountain Brushy”, you and your friends had ample time to make change real but you failed each and all the time. I often wonder if some of the so-called critics of WIRES are not drawing some advantage closer to home by having WIRES remain in this unfair and dysfunctional state. Year after year, one after another, members have thrown themselves at the reform problem and each one has been cut down. All the time WIRES management learns and therefore gains from the experience and things only got worse for the reformers that followed. With each and every loss there were fewer left to fight on and fewer willing to take on the mechanism.

I would love nothing more than to give up this site. I personally find it draining and anxiety filled. If the axe falls, it falls on me – its not your door they’ll be knocking on. If you would like to take over the responsibility and take on the very real risks to yourself, then by all means set up your own reform website or group and I will happily sign off.

I did this as a last resort because everything else had failed – everyone else had failed. Your criticism is not at all welcome but, as is the rw promise: I will never prevent others from hearing your opinion, no matter what I personally think of it and regardless of the risks it may pose to me.
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Lorry Van Driver
# Sneaky Snake slithers into the Board roomLorry Van Driver 2013-03-13 21:32
The sneaky slithering snake sneaks in sneaks around and sneaks out under the noses of the unsuspecting few. His branch have sent the warning message and the Board know better His poisonous fangs are poised to strike suddenly from nowhere Mrs Spartacus swings in one fell swoop the shovel to behead the viper and vipe his nose from his head and his head from his only noticeable appendage and save the board from a potential perilous strike.

Long live Mrs Spartacus. Long Live WIRES.
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Mrs Bruce - Easy
# The apple on the tree or the snake in the grassMrs Bruce - Easy 2013-03-13 22:21
So! where is Mr Snake? On 12.3.2013 a WIRES volunteer/carer cannot be found between Sydney/Hornsby /Katoomba and Campbelltown to remove a Red Bellied Black snake from the Liverpool region. Surely a priority for the Van. Solution? PASS THE PARCEL pass it on to another group. The other group find a person ON THE FIRST CALL. WHY? Because WIRES rejected them because they asked WHY. Why animals were being left in the care of Vets when they were actually signed off as collected by a carer. Which is WHY that person was denied a right of reply as are any members who test the democracy and Governance of WIRES regime; they took their ball and went home. They couldn't take the Board’s balls because they have none.

The snake was not in danger, the family were in danger. The ex member of WIRES replied I am too busy collecting other animals that WIRES can’t manage; the snake is in no danger of dying and tell the caller it is illegal to kill the snake. Please refer back to WIRES.

So! Here we are years down the line and animals are now being Euthanased because WIRES has alienated so many volunteers due to belligerence, mismanagement, incompetence, lack of duty, of care and lack of relationship skills. WIRES has become crippled and has alienated its most precious assets, ‘Carers’. Those remaining are cautious and anything that might seem like a problem is rejected.

And so it is that the board of WIRES continue with a full rig to sail down and down into the depths of self imposed despair down towards the great conjunction and confluence with the constant unavoidable stream of reality. Who cares how many animals die from neglect along the way. The Board can always point back and say I was told a speck of blood was spilled in the altruistic act of training by the most influential charismatic and knowledgeable Trainer and carer that WIRES will ever have. No animals will die while we are in control. Sorry to say it but WIRES is only in control of mismanagement of the millions of dollars that belong to animal care and never gets there.

Like little children trying to fool their headmaster the board of WIRES are stuck in the head office because their heads are so swollen they cannot get back out the door to appreciate that we the volunteers all live on and in a multiple of ways and the WIRES management are left wallowing in the own self dug cesspit. They are simply a phenomenon that has passed and been flushed

WIRES has gone from an altruistic caring organisation to an uncaring profiteering organisation. ANIMALS are not on the agenda; ANIMALS and LEACHING ON THE CARING CITZENS AND THE DYING is the driving force behind WIRES.

Shame on the executive and shame on those who SPONSOR neglect and belligerence towards the sick and injured animals and the altruistic membership.

WIRES lacks a heart and has no sole. The best people for WIRES are the people who have had the fortitude to stand up singularly to the regime.
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on behalf of many
# RE: The apple on the tree or the snake in the grasson behalf of many 2013-03-15 22:51
Hear hear Mrs Bruce, there are many who agree with you. It is worse than when reformwires started as now there aren't the volunteers and the animals are dying because of it. They ignored and mistreated their own volunteers and now they are not there.
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Axe Member.
# The snake Pit or the Worm farm?Axe Member. 2013-03-16 13:57
At least the volunteers can walk away.
The animals are just left to die. Poor little buggers. We can’t even rescue them because we do not know they are waiting for help. The Board do not give a shit about anything other than their precious big ego and their tiny little self centred minds. The Vets are no longer a 1 of the priority’s.
Wires is nothing more than a big gas bag held down by a bag of money. Animals !!! What are they? Nat Parks are implicit in this neglect of wildlife. If wires were so squeaky clean they could afford to have a full investigation by Nat. Parks or whatever they call themselves today. Without the input Of Mr (kipper) Two faces at once. HERRING.
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change will happen
# RE: Not my first choice and no picnic either.change will happen 2013-03-14 17:13
Hang in there Spartacus. Wires is collapsing with the weight of all the money it gets from the donors and the dead wood running the place. It is top heavy in management with not many members doing the work. Members who have gone to other groups are reporting that Wires hasn't got the members to pick up from vets and vets are putting the animals down or calling non wires carers. Sooner or later the donors will see that their money is not being used for the aminals and will donate to other groups. And sooner or later the dead wood wiil see that their kingdom has gone and they will look for somewhere else to go. Then all those that care for Wires will start to rebuild it as a place where everyone is equal.
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Broken Arrow
# RE: Not my first choice and no picnic either.Broken Arrow 2013-03-15 20:44
It's about time NPWS went into WIRES and investigated the mess that the Board has created over the past 6-7 years. Most branches are in trouble and unable to rescue animals due to lack of volunteers. The volunteers that are left are so tired and over worked.
God knows NPWS have had so many complaints over the years and done fcuk all. Is it any wonder that WIRES is in this state. These old guard should resign in shame of what they have created.
Bring in the receivers and lets re-build.
All branches should stop running RICC, no point in getting new members.
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M-CLAP
# Keep your chin up SpartacusM-CLAP 2013-03-19 14:59
Spartacus, you are doing a top job fighting for our rights, without you we would be trampled on.

{Thanks - I'm thinking of setting up a fan club. S.}
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Truthurts
# Guilty until proven InnocentTruthurts 2013-03-03 22:22
Well, it dosn't seem that anyone in WIRES is safe, not even a Chairman. Six months ago or there abouts the Wingecarribee branch were thrown a lifeline to bring its branch out of the doledrums by injecting new blood within the ranks but it seems that the dinosaurs don't like change and would like to stay in limbo. The only way to keep the status quo and get rid of the new blood was by using dirty tactics such as running to the Board with crocodile tears and making false allegations such as Harrassment and Bullying (Which is the incorrect procedure in making a complaint).

A similar incident has happend once before within the Illawarra Branch and the members of the Board fell for it hook line and sinker. The executives were humiliated and ridiculed by the board with the Executives suffering hardship trying to prove their innocence. In the end justice prevailed and the board had egg on their faces simply because they did not take a neutral stance but instead believed a small band of renegades and belittled the Executive.

Now, do you think the Board would have learnt by that experience? You guessed it, a great big NO! I believe there is also a conflict of interest with a member of the board who has a personal issue with the accused and is hiding in the background instigating the coup, he should jup out!

Hang in there Wingecarribee, you know how the dinosaurs ended up.

{rw reported last year that Mike Jupp was resoundingly and democratically voted out as rep for the Wingecarribie Branch. We predicted he would slither on to the board via the Reptile Team just as Merilee Verhoeven had done (and we were right too). Now, the board was not happy about one of its most loyal devotees being treated this way by the ignorant members and we are not surprised to see the newly popularly democratically elected executive being set up and removed. Take out all opposition and all you have is Mike Jupp and cronies. Destroy all trust in the democratic system and all you get is no one voting against the Board's loyal hounds. WIRES has done this many times before. No surprises here. S.}
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jennifer
# what a surprisejennifer 2013-03-04 16:11
Why is there any surprise with what happens in the WHINGINGcarribee Branch, it has and still is controlled from behind the scenes by 3 larger than life characters, one a private license holder and the other an ex Wires member, and of course a Board member. The former Chair of this Branch was happy to threaten and harass a new member last year to the extent of sending her a registered letter. This new member was told if she did not hand over her 2 perfectly healthy Wombats, Wires WHINGINGcarribee would send in NPWS and they would shoot the animals.If this is not bullying and harassment then I would like to know what is. This new member did the smart thing and joined another wildlife group who have welcomed her with open arms. This former Chairperson is now complaining about someone else, ignoring the normal complaint procedures and going straight to the Board.Surprise, surprise Mr Jupp is a member of that Board. What chance has this new Chairperson got of getting a fair hearing. No one wanted the job of Chairperson, but they all want to tell you how to do it. A letter from Head Office was circulated around the Branch members and I for one was totally disgusted.How can they justify belittling the current Chairperson before they have all the evidence. Is it any wonder that so many members have left in disgust due to the control and politics in this Branch. No one wants to stand on the committee because eventually you will come to grief. Hence, the lack of dedication and commitment in this Branch.

Someone said on RW six month ago that they felt sorry for the poor person who out voted Mike Jupp, because he would be in for it, well they got that right.
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Anna Conda
# Snakes in the board room.Anna Conda 2013-03-04 21:40
I seem to remember that on this site Mr snake who has inadvertently revealed himself and made belligerent statements to Henry (Our discrete enquiry agent) Working gratis after his wife was unfairly discriminated against by wires management. The snake made inference that he might like to bruise a member of another group. He sounds quite hostile for a Wires Board member. He even went to the point of slandering and stating that they were mentally ill. Amongst other outrageous statements. Too gutless to use English he wrote it in German. This is extremely hostile thinking and worrying behaviour for a wires member of the Board. It is clear why his branch voted him out. This is the depths that unelected and unwanted troubled people stoop to deliberately Selfishly and thoughtlessly destroy Wires and its outstanding membership at any cost. Not even his scaly little friends would stoop so low. The person he was threatening was a woman. During Henry’s investigations of the board of wires over the past three years The snake has floated to the surface of the drum not as cream but as SCUM an English word. Tru blu interpretation is BLUDGER. Somebody might just explain to him the depth of meaning of those words. It is a low as and Aussie can put a person. lower than a snakes bum.

The assumption that the spineless little snake made was in fact incorrect in fact it is an elderly woman well known to The Snake. That indiscretion will come back to haunt the Management of wires. So long as The snake Ms Muffet The Secretary of Estates and the Killara Deakin are around the decline will continue to nose dive under the guidance of Inspector Gadget. remember what happened to Rudd and where we ended up remember what happened to our best Prime Minister our Worst Prime Minister and The World’s Greatest Treasurgeon stabbed or about to be stabbed. We could have been an example to the world. Wires is now becoming on par with Julia’s World. They don’t answer phones they are failing to round up rescuers and carers Reluctantly the members of the council are bailing them out. Wires are spending their money Empire building to dominate wildlife care. God help us.

Go Go Gadget just Go take your sniveling hangers on and let our members attend to wildlife care and let our donors get value for their generosity.

Time for my Nanna nap.
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Yellowtail
# RE: Guilty until proven InnocentYellowtail 2013-03-05 17:39
It is exactly the same thing that happened 2 years ago in central west when a group of enthusiastic members finally overthrew Jim Watt as council reprsentative and chair. This had happened before but the new blood didn't last for long. Sure enough the board turned up and next thing 80 members left the branch to start another group and Jim Watt wss returned again on the council and branch chair. They always get back in power.
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jennifer
# question pleasejennifer 2013-03-06 19:42
If we are all now employees of Wires and not classified as volunteers any more, does that mean we can take our complaints to the Workplace Disputes tribunal. Mr Jupp is a member of the Board making a complaint about a member of a branch. The new mediation officer for Wires is a paid employee and therefore under the influence of the Wires Board. That is not neutral, the paid employee would be under a lot of pressure to side with the Board member, his job is at stake here.
My question to all the legal eagles out there, "is this legal and democratic".

Wires seems to have a death wish, to destroy itself from within. If you think for yourself or have an opinion different from theirs , then you become a target. The hierarchy of Wires see you as a threat,and will do anything to get you to leave.
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an eagle
# RE: question pleasean eagle 2013-03-09 09:47
My view Jennifer is that a person dealing with a complaint between a Board member and an "ordinary" member must be neutral and independent of WIRES. It is not enough for this person, who is dealing with the present complaint, to endeavour not to favour the interests of the Board as, no matter what he does or decides, there will always be a doubt in the minds of the members that he may be biased. The person who deals with such complaints must not only be neutral but be "seen to be neutral and unbiased" and that is not possible if he is employed by WIRES because he relies on WIRES for his job and works under the management of the Board and GM. There has been an urgent need for many years to set up a fair and independent procedure to deal with grievances between the board or a member of the board, and an "ordinary" member. While this need is ignored problems like the present one in Wingecarribbee will continue to cause distress amongst members and not be resolved in a way that both sides feel they have been given a fair go and been treated equally. It is a shame that these issues can't be discussed in a forum within WIRES general membership rather than on this site.
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Monkey
# RE: question pleasMonkey 2013-03-15 23:27
An eagle, it's not independent if you pay for it, though is it.....
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an eagle
# RE: question pleasan eagle 2013-03-17 19:59
I agree with you Monkey. A resolution process dealing with a dispute between a member and a board member or the Board should not be paid for by WIRES as this may appear to influence the decision maker. My view is that it should be dealt with by an outside person or body ie Centre for Volunteering or Community Justice Centre or an independent arbitrator who would be willing to hear it pro bono.
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Guest
# RE: Guilty until proven InnocentGuest 2013-03-05 19:38
He has experience in business, is educated and articulate and has replaced a board buddy named Mike Jupp on the WSC. This makes him a number 1 target with the board and he needs to watch out for private investigators.
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The Outsider
# RE: Guilty until proven InnocentThe Outsider 2013-03-11 21:05
Anyone who turns up at State Council as an elected rep with an independent and critical mind will - sooner or later, but usually sooner - find themselves the subject of more than usually intense scrutiny. If they persist in acting on their principles, and especially if those principles are anathema at Board level, they will find themselves under severe scrutiny, and in some cases outright hostility. It makes no difference whether the attack is based on legitimate grounds or not.

That this particular branch rep stands at Council in place of someone who was a loyal defender of the old guard (and thus caused the previous rep to go to great lengths to assure their place on the Board) simply means double jeopardy. I hope, for the sake of the new rep and the branch they represent, that they are taking copious written notes and keeping copies of written correspondence, because they will need them.

The only surprise for me in all this is how long it took for the backlash to come about.
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Megan
# RE: Guilty until proven InnocentMegan 2013-03-14 11:37
You're right but while we still have Board members from previous years still carrying out vendettas against people they do not like simply because their opinions differ WIRES as an organisation will suffer.

How about those members do their part for the organisation and resign.

Their branches can stand against them specially if they are bullying and intimitating members due to their position.
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Member. just.
# South Twig?Member. just. 2013-03-16 14:21
A country can be judged by the way they treat their animals. The same goes for WIRES and it has become third world status already.

South Branch used to be alive. Members were almost competing to get to the rescue first. Thanks to the Bastards on the Board the remaining Volunteers are burning out. It will take the likes of South branch to fail to bring this problem into the public domain and the Board cowed and beaten to their knees.and turning their heads for home. If not already. The 2GB radio rumor is that Wires is failing. Blind Freddy knows that.
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one in the know
# RE: South Twig?one in the know 2013-03-22 09:32
The board decided south branch was the enemy because it had proactive members who stood up against what it was doing to its members and the way it was doing things outside the constitution. The branch was a threat to its power. So it forced its member Chris Lloyd to resign using its donations and a private investigator and not telling him what they were after him for. They then had a go at the council rep in a little star chamber on a day when everyone was there for a council meeting . That poor fellow and his partner were not allowed in this meeting about him and everyone there was forbidden to write notes. You will never guess who was in charge and then tried to have the south rep kicked out of the council. It was Mike Jupp still there on the board with others from that time even though kicked out as rep by his branch. South branch bled as members left and went to another group and now the branch doesn't send a rep to the WSC because it worries that its rep would get the usual cold shoulder or worse. So sad for south branch and the animals living there.
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undemocratic as usual
# RE: Guilty until proven Innocentundemocratic as usual 2013-03-07 16:19
Any branch with a board member in it has no chance of changing its management. The Board always comes in to protect its own. Just look at Central Coast, Central West and Clarence River. All that has been said on reform wires over the last 18 months about the board not following the rules and it is still happening. The board should not be involved in the problem in Wingecarribee as it will be seen by the general membership as looking after Mike Jupp, one of their own.
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Ann
# MsAnn 2013-04-04 13:49
Mid North Coast is in the same boat. Hard working volunteers bullied and intimidated, Committee decisions overturned by the Board. People leaving.......... The only way forward is to go public. The Board sand the GM may sit up and pay attention then
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bully probe needed
# RE: Msbully probe needed 2013-04-07 17:12
"There is an official inquiry taking place into workplace bullying in the CSIRO by the former Commonwealth Ombudsman Dennis Pearce, assisted by Melanie McKean of HWL Ebsworth Lawyers. It was prompted primarily by an online campaign being run by a group of former CSRIO employees. In the first stage of the enquiry, all allegations regardless of when they occurred, will be examined to produce a general report that will be made public" (Sydney Morning Herald 27.2.2013.
So if an investigation can be undertaken by independent qualified people into bullying allegations within the CSIRO, why can't one take place into bullying allegations within WIRES. It should be set up immediately by the NSW government if WIRES will not agree. This is the only way for WIRES to repair the damage and harm done to its members. The members and branches will only be free from this behaviour and the harm being done by this abuse of power when WIRES rids itself of its bullies.
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Jane Ada
# RE: Ms - Bully probe neededJane Ada 2013-04-09 21:44
Ms
Animals have more rights than unpaid volunteers. Until unpaid volunteers have the same rights as paid staff, then there will be no change. All I can suggest is write to every politician an dept and ask for change. And let the donors know, they can create change to.
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bully probe needed
# RE: Ms - Bully probe neededbully probe needed 2013-04-10 19:09
Unapaid volunteers in WIRES do have the same rights as the paid staff to be protected by workplace health and safety under workcover and that includes not being bullied. The donors would not want to hear that this is happening. Most of what members are writing about on rw is the abuse of power by the board. Ignoring the constitution on the election of the board, having a go at members outside the constitution, paying donors money for a private investigator to scare members and the general aggression is all bullying.
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a member
# RE: Guilty until proven Innocenta member 2013-03-07 18:28
Bullying must stop at board level. There must be some thing that can be done.If this Board member from Wingecarribee was off the board then life would be better for members and the wingecarribee Branch.He should not be there as he was not voted on the WSC to represent the branch.
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Challenge
# RE: Guilty until proven InnocentChallenge 2013-03-23 17:33
Yes this undemocratic, as Board and Management will not listen and Government departments will not listen, the only way is to take it to the Supreme Court. Is anyone willing to put in money its expensive?
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mt
# RE: Guilty until proven Innocentmt 2013-03-25 20:50
It is terrible for a member to be in such a desperate position to think of spending their money to go to the supreme court to try to get help. Money is better spent on the animals. If you go to court against what wires is doing Wires will only spend donations to fight you and they have millions to spend to wear you down. You may get legal aid or a lawyer to help pro bono. Some solicitors and barristers have already given help to members.
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where are the women
# RE: Guilty until proven Innocentwhere are the women 2013-03-25 20:57
Strange that the chair is always a man in an organisation where most of the work is done by women. It might stop the bullying if a woman was the chair but not the 2 in waiting wgi are friends of Stan Wood. Wires should not be ruled from coffs harbour.
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You are all delusional
# You make us all look crazyYou are all delusional 2013-02-22 13:43
Now I know why people think this website is crazy. 17 unlikes because I dont like hunting, but think people who kill feral animals correctly are ok?? Wow.... are we caring more about our animals or just wanting to have a rant?

Wow..... I say to the normal ones on here, give up and stop feeding the trolls.
ITS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE ANIMALS.

Not fighting on some stupid website. How about you go spend your spare time you have spent on here acyually doing something that helps - go and help fundraise for your branch. At least the momey stays there.

it's a shame, I had high hopes for this site, but now whenever someone asks me about it I will just smile and shake my head. The crazies have spoken over the ones who are educated as well as passionate.

And it's not HO that suffers while you all bicker. It's the animals.

Good one guys.
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Chinz
# DummyChinz 2013-02-26 14:06
So someone disagreed with you and now you spit the dummy and side with the status quo. Easily bruised egos is what's wrong with the system.

So now you're happy to see WIRES blow millions of dollars donated to help animals on anything but animals? And your happy as they drive people who might help animals away? You're not delusional, you're just all hurt.

The animals suffer while HO exists.
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Curmudgeon.
# IT GETS WORSECurmudgeon. 2013-03-01 08:37
I hate to inform you that not one dollar of donations goes to animals. the only money that is spent on their actual care is 40.000.00 of the $56.000.00 taken from the pockets of the tax payers of NSW. In fact no money from donations and $16.000.00 from the Government? is spent on and wasted on everything but animal care.
Can anybody shed some light on what has happened to the $306.000.00 unaccounted for. i.e. 4 years Government subsidies.

As Board members drop off like gangrenous limbs they expose the rotting carcass. Time to place the executive into a induced coma. while the cause is treated. If possible.
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Broken Arrow
# RE: You make us all look crazyBroken Arrow 2013-03-14 09:32
What would your proposal be to fix the problems in WIRES?

I really wonder why people think that just because you want to reform the governance you imply we don't care about the animals. When the current state of WIRES is that experienced carers have either left or are inactive, the result being that animals are not being rescued nor cared for appropriately.

Reform is ALL about the animals.
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on behalf of many
# RE: You make us all look crazyon behalf of many 2013-03-15 22:57
Hear Hear to you too Broken Arrow.
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THUNDERBIRD 1
# ring ring. ring ring. ring ring.THUNDERBIRD 1 2013-02-21 14:42
I arrived to pick up one very sick and injured bird. The owner had gathered it up as trees we about to be felled over head. Can I make a donation to Wires he said. Sorry I said I am from XZXZXZ. Oh! he said my friend rang your crowd as Wires did not answer the phone and there was no provision for a message. What time was that? I asked. He said several times between 8.30 and 9.am.(Wednesday. 20/2/2013). He said we were really worried about it. We rang RSPCA and they gave us your number. That was about 9.15 am at 9.20 I received the call and details the animal was visited the time was now 10 am.

IF WIRES CANNOT PROVIDE THE SERVICE FOR 2.6 MILLION DOLLARS HOW IS IT THAT OTHERS CAN PROVIDE IT FOR A MERE PITTANCE AND WITHOUT THREATS AND THAT DESPISED AUSSIE TRAIT OF BLUDGING. A TRAIT RARELY SEEN IN THIS COUNTRY AND NOW INTRODUCED BY GOD FORSAKEN INTERLOPERS. NOW ADOPTED BY WIRES AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
GOD SAVE AUSTRALIA BECAUSE NO WIRES EXECUTIVE OR COUNCILL HAVE ANY INTENTION OF SAVING OUR WILD LIFE ONLY SAVING THEIR ARSES. WELL! THAT IS ALL ABOUT TO TURN THE DINOSAURS ARE ABOUT TO MUSTER ON THE CRAPITAL AND THE GREENS FALL WILL BE FAST FOLLOWED BY THE FALL OF THE GREAT UNWASHED THE NEVER EXPIERIENCED THE FAT HEADS AND THE UNGODLY WASTEFULL. IF YOU ARE NOT TRUE BLUE ALTRUISTIC AND HAVE FAMILY COMMUNITY AND NATIONL PRIDE YOU CAN PISS OFF NOW OR CRAWL BACK INTO YOUR LITTLE SELF DUG GRAVES. A NEW ERA IS HERALDED AND A NEW SPRING IS UPON US. GOD WON'T SAVE US BUT YOUR VOTE MIGHT SEE OUR CHILDREN DEBT FREE BEFORE THEY DIE. AND EVERY DOLLAR DONATED TO WILDLIFE SPENT ON WILDLIFE REHABILITATION AND INTEGRATION OF HUMANITY AND OUR GENETICALLY RELATED COUSINS.

FIRING RETRO ROCKETS NOW!
FAB
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Lorry Van  Driver.
# If you cannot proceed through you can always go around over and under.Lorry Van Driver. 2013-03-02 09:58
Due to prejudices within wires our branch could never care for Raptors. Despite many having qualified. Those ex members have now formed their own support group without the bias and prejudices and threats from Wires. Imagine what wildlife care would be like if Wires achieved their goal of Governing all wildlife care. Imagine how much skill and care would be lost. They cannot govern themselves. They have disunity at the top. They cannot see the writing on the wall Because they are preoccupied with having their back to the wall so they do not get stabbed in it by a treacherous few.
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Birds of a feather!
# When first we practice to deceive.Birds of a feather! 2013-03-02 10:24
When you are sworn to secrecy you are up to no good. Hardly a requirement of a Public Charity. Any person withholding from members is up to no good. That is a great concern where so much money and influence is at stake.
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Finance Blues
# RE: Free SpeechFinance Blues 2013-02-11 08:07
morning Spartacus, I know this is probably not appropriate but would you please remove my previous comment.
thank you.
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Finance Blues
# RE: Free SpeechFinance Blues 2013-02-10 11:05
Margaret Clinton - wow thanks very much for making it so...[Removed at author's request. S.]
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Finance Blues
# RE: Free SpeechFinance Blues 2013-02-11 08:31
Ok, so now that I have calmed down, I need to apologise for my previous comment that was written in great frustration, and should never have been published (my fault!!).
There has to be a better way for us to organise fundraising, and I would love to see Head Office supporting and nuturing us in doing this in the most appropriate way so that we can continue to do what we do best. So, come on Head Office, ignore my previous rant, and show us how we can all work together, please????
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2013-02-13 09:09
Good on you Finance Blues for having the guts to admit you made a mistake. You could teach a number of members on the board a lesson or two on how to do this. I see the problem you have had as caused by a lack of communication between the board and members and the structure that allows some members to get on the board by dubious means and then power goes to their heads and they want to stay there forever. They have the belief that they are superior to the rest of members who are seen as only the workers.
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Curmudgeon
# How to sleep well at nightCurmudgeon 2013-02-28 14:08
We are all very sorry after having done the wrong thing knowing we were doing the wrong thing and so many decent enthusiastic intelligent members have been sent to the gas chamber rather than compromise their integrity and altruism. The arrow once shot cannot be retrieved.

Spill the beans get it out feel good sleep at night and retrieve what you can and get the millions of Dollars working for animals not feral incompetent inexperienced management who feather their nests rather than a wildlife nest.
Remember Reformwires came from members who had fortitude and lacked the numbers. you have joined strong and intelligent people with hearts shallow pockets integrity and maturity. You sound like your conscience is troubling you. Spit the dummy and be free.
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Hungry birds
# RE: Free SpeechHungry birds 2013-02-11 16:13
Its not that they are idots it's just they dont want to share the money!
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2013-02-11 18:58
You must be one of those branches on the nose Illawara. Branches in league with those with power look like they can do what they like. HAng in there and don't let them care you off.
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Not so incompetent
# RE: Free SpeechNot so incompetent 2013-02-11 22:36
who ever the person is that posted this, they most cetainly have their "facts" ass up and no idea of what they are talking about. it is not Margaret Clinton NOR the "idiots" in head office that have set "stupid finance rules" it is the Office of Liqour, Gaming and Racing; the Associations Act, and a number of other acts which set the fundraising and "stupid finance rules" for ALL charities and not-for profit organisations in New South Wales. It is suggested that all Illawarra branch members and in particular the author of the statement below get their facts right before posting on a public website and making themselves look like an "idiot" and to the people who have misconstrued the facts of this particular matter, may i suggest you get the right facts, inform your members of YOUR idiotic error (and the author of the crap below) and issue a formal apology to Margaret Clinton and head office staff.

If you need the facts, I suggest you contact someone who knows what they are talking about, and it is obvisously NOT the author of the post nor the person/s that advised the "poster"
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answer to not so incompet
# RE: Free Speechanswer to not so incompet 2013-02-13 14:33
Are you from Prussia by any chance?
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yellowtail
# RE: Free Speechyellowtail 2013-01-30 07:37
There have not been any comments for 3 weeks. Does that mean Wires has reformed, money is being shared with members and they are now being treated well?
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Hungry Birds
# Not LikelyHungry Birds 2013-01-30 19:45
Not likely they are still up to their old tricks.
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guest
# RE: Not Likelyguest 2013-01-31 10:42
Looks like they are now trying to keep what they are doing hidden from the public, the donors and the membership by requiring sworn secrecy.
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Hungry Birds
# Good to have you backHungry Birds 2013-01-05 16:53
Congratulations Spartacus, good to have you back. Happy New Year!
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Spartacus
# [POST MOVED]PR? Here's a sugestionSpartacus 2012-12-07 00:48
What about hiring the services of Evelyn Mason & Associates? www.emassociates.com.au/

She comes highly recommended:

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WIRES partnership with Evelyn Mason commenced in March 2007 when she began assisting us in the development of a Bequest Program. We have since established and maintained a close and productive relationship with Evelyn, who has supported WIRES with advice and assistance on a wide range of fundraising issues from staff employment to direct mail appeals. The Bequest Program has shown astonishing growth under her guidance and all her advice on fundraising matters has proved consistently accurate and apposite.

Evelyn not only brings a high level of professional competence to her dealings with us but maintains a thoughtful flexibility in her approach and a willingness to adapt her advice to accommodate WIRES specific needs and limitations.

Addressing and advising WIRES Board, working hands-on with WIRES staff, identifying an appropriate employment agency for us, assisting and advising on acquisition strategies; in all these fields and more, Evelyn has become both a personal friend and an invaluable resource to WIRES.

Leanne Taylor, General Manager , WIRES
emassociates.com.au/testimonials/ [LINK MOVED]

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"WIRES partnership with Evelyn Mason commenced in March 2007 when she began assisting us in the development of a Bequest Program."
- Oh so that is when WIRES became obsessed with chasing dying people for cash. Interesting approach.

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"... supported WIRES with advice and assistance on a wide range of fundraising issues from staff employment to direct mail appeals."
- oh, so that is when all the volunteers were sacked and telephonists employed, their primary aim being to get the callers' details so they can be bombarded with begging letters later - stuff the animals.

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"Addressing and advising WIRES Board, working hands-on with WIRES staff, identifying an appropriate employment agency for us, assisting and advising on acquisition strategies; in all these fields and more, Evelyn has become both a personal friend and an invaluable resource to WIRES."
- WOW, does Leanne actually do anything these days? Evelyn seems to be running WIRES according to that testimonial. No wonder Leanne makes sure Evelyn gets her hands on tons of donated money in return for her efforts. And when was the WIRES Council ever consulted about any of this? "Never" is the answer.

I wonder how Evelyn feels about associating her business with WIRES? Maybe she should get some soul and come consult for a noble cause.

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If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-- George Orwell
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Spartacus
# [POST MOVED] RE: PR? Here's a sugestionSpartacus 2012-12-07 01:03
Here's some more from Evelyn Mason (not to be confused with Spartacus' pet vulture by the same name!)

Quote:
Over the last decade, we've heard a great deal about the "transfer of wealth" that will occur as older Australians pass on to family members and favourite charities some of the wealth they accumulated during the boom years following World War II.
The questions all not-f or-profits must address are:

- How can we develop a meaningful long-term relationship with our supporters?
- Will our organisation be "top of mind" for prospective Benefactors?
- How will our organisation market the information supporters need when considering whether to include us in their estate or not?
- Do our members know how easy it is to leave a bequest that will carry on their most deeply held values?
- Will our organisation receive its share of bequest income?

A Bequest Programs can provide the financial resources your organisation needs to secure its future. However once started, the program must be consistent year in and year out. It must be systematically constructed and must always honour the Benefactor's requests.

For many Benefactors the leaving of a bequest to an organisation is the largest gift they will ever make. Because of this, they must be thanked and honoured for their thoughtfulness and caring.
emassociates.com.au/our-services/bequests-planned-giving/ [LINK MOVED] - text quoted was accurate at time of posting.

I wonder if that includes having Leanne Taylor listen in on another line when Evelyn is clinching the deal with some poor suffering dying person? I mean, that's service for you.

Quote:
We are the dead.
-- George Orwell - "1984"
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myrtle
# [POST MOVED] RE: PR? Here's a sugestionmyrtle 2012-12-15 12:05
Does Evelyn Mason get a cut of the bequest like a percentage perhaps. This means money left by a donor does not go to WIRES but pays a personal friend a commission.
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Truthurts
# Ghost MembersTruthurts 2012-12-01 21:05
How many branches have members who are "invisible", eg Those who don't get involved by not answering WIRES calls, don't respond to emails, don't go to meetings etc, these members may be on the books but we never see or hear them, hence the name "Ghost Members"
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Truthurts
# are we that desperateTruthurts 2012-11-08 21:44
Wow you two belong in a boxing ring, I don't think there can be any winners in this argument, most comments made are feasible and some are hypercritical. This argument would really make a great topic for debate, because it has so many twists and turns plus plenty of sore points I don't think this is the right arena to try and convince one another of their own views, as a matter of fact I don't think there is any arena which will accommodate this topic in question, my opinion is lets put it in the too hard basket and lets move on.
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Are we that desperate!
# Are we that desperate!Are we that desperate! 2012-10-30 19:41
Is WIRES that desperate for members that we would accept someone who quite freely admits to hunting innocent animals?
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Margaret
# RE: Are we that desperate!Margaret 2012-10-31 18:20
who is that are we that desperate?
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Are we that desperate!
# RE: Are we that desperate!Are we that desperate! 2012-11-02 17:19
there is a member in the highlands branch who hunts deer
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Margaret
# RE: Are we that desperate!Margaret 2012-11-03 09:58
Did the member get the shooters licence for use in wires or vermin control on their own property. Not legal if it was for use in wires.
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are we that desperate
# are we that desperateare we that desperate 2012-11-05 08:58
not for use in WIRES, it doesn't matter why they shoot animals my point is, do we really want someone who thinks that that is ok, and someone who would want to do that. I understand some animals need to be culled (I don't like or agree with it) but someone who goes out hunting and then harvests the meat, you think about what that means, they kill the animal then cut it up themselves - what sort of a person wants to do that? It's not like we are short of meat supplies in this country!! This is only my personal opinion but I find it very hard to accept!!
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: are we that desperateMagnum P.I. 2012-11-05 11:14
This sort of thing really gets on my nerves. So what if this guy likes hunting? So what? What in god's green earth has it got to do with you or with looking after sick and injured wildlife? What? Nothing, that's what. WIRES is so over-run with busy-bodies, tut-tutting self-important virtue-policing vegans and worse. God, give me an independent licence. Why would anyone want to be involved with people like this? If you can look after injured wildlife and do it well then the rest is NONE OF YOUR BLOODY BUSINESS!!!
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guest
# RE: are we that desperateguest 2012-11-05 16:29
[quote name="Magnum P.I."]WIRES is so over-run with busy-bodies, tut-tutting self-important virtue-policing vegans and worse.
I'd love to know magnum PI considers worse!
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: are we that desperateMagnum P.I. 2012-11-06 18:16
Lying, back-stabbing, cheating, etc.
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Are we that desperate!
# are we that desperateAre we that desperate! 2012-11-05 22:04
Like I said, this is only MY PERSONAL OPINION and I DON'T like the tone in your reply!!
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: are we that desperateMagnum P.I. 2012-11-06 11:49
Tone! Is that all? I didn't like your content. Quote:
It's not like we are short of meat supplies in this country!!
And where do you think that comes from? Trees? You are happy to go down the supermarket and purchase it wrapped in plastic but conveniently forget it was once an animal and someone had to slaughter and butcher it. Talk about distancing yourself from responsibility. Facile!
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Are we that desperate!
# are we that desperateAre we that desperate! 2012-11-06 18:49
Wow, you really are very rude, AND you are missing my whole point anyway........
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: are we that desperateMagnum P.I. 2012-11-07 13:14
I get your point and its blunt and dangerous one but one that exists in WIRES.

People isolated because they do or think something the group doesn't like: he likes hunting, he has cats, she eats meat, she dresses strange, he's unemployed, she votes x party, shes athiest, he lives in the wrong suburb, she once said she agreed with x idea... and on it goes. It can simply be that someone on the committee doesn't like the look of them.

Whether they are good at caring for animals or do rescues doesn't even come into it, its all about other shit that has nothing to do with rehab of native animals. There's that wonderful example of an aboriginal person being considered for rejection because someone thought that it was a conflict of interest to have a WIRES rescuer who was also legally allowed to eat wildlife.

What this guy does otherwise is no one's business so long as he rescues animals, is good at rehabilitation and doesn't make life harder for native animals. Everything else is none of your business as I said.
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myrtle
# RE: are we that desperatemyrtle 2012-11-06 18:56
Are we that desperate, Magnum and guest, you would all go well together on the board of wires.
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guest
# RE: are we that desperateguest 2012-11-07 21:23
Quoting myrtle:
Are we that desperate, Magnum and guest, you would all go well together on the board of wires.

my comment was tongue in cheek Myrtle!
I think if someone hunts deer they may be helping native wildlife, if done within POCTA laws however hunting kangaroo is different..
Perhaps Spartucus should consider the merit of continuing this thread as it appears to serve no useful purpose and is becoming disrespectful and personal-part of the orignal problem?
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Spartacus
# The Original SinSpartacus 2012-11-08 13:30
The original problem was WIRES censoring comment and debate. That act stems from the same root cause as the nastiness. Wherever possible I let you have your say - I am reluctant to intervene.
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myrtle
# RE: are we that desperatemyrtle 2012-11-08 17:49
Iagree with you are we that desperate. We all need to discuss the big issues and find common ground. Otherwise everyone will end up fighting one another - the very thing we want to change in Wires.
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OwlEyes
# RE: are we that desperateOwlEyes 2012-11-07 16:25
Don't worry Magnum, some people on here have made all of us who want change look like crazies.

We eat meat. it has to come from somewhere. Would you prefer the deer is shot and left and is eaten by maggots and decomposes away? Or you are happy to keep the foxes that are killing our local wildlife?
What a waste!
Do you throw your dead possums out into your yard for the flies? Or do you not want their death to be in vain, so make sure it's food for another injured animal?

I know what I do, and as much as I hate animals dying, i refuse to have it be a death in vain. If they can feed the animals I have in care, so be it.
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Neo
# RE: are we that desperateNeo 2013-02-26 16:34
If someone "likes" hunting maybe they it would be more appriopriate to join Shooters party instead of joining WIRES.
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grasshopper
# RE: Are we that desperate!grasshopper 2012-11-03 09:06
There is a member in Central West who culls Kangaroos!

Is this representing the animals and in line with the WIRES aims Quote:
" to do everything possible to help Australian Native animals and inspire others to do the same"
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guest
# RE: Are we that desperate!guest 2012-11-03 17:12
Everyone knows who that is. A former board member with friends in the right places.
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Truthurts
# Wishful ThinkingTruthurts 2012-10-19 06:02
I was just wondering, now that we have a "newly" elected Board I wonder if they will continue on the same path as the previous Board and risk self destruction or have a new beginning and work towards creating an elite Animal rescue organization ? Is it Possible or just wishful thinking.
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an eagle
# RE: Wishful Thinkingan eagle 2012-10-19 20:19
There are 2 new members on the newly elected board.They are independent from the existing members and bring new ideas and a fresh approach to the Board. Many hope there will be change and members will have more rights as a result. I hope everyone who visits this site will give them a go and some time to see if there is change. Time will tell.
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yellowtail
# RE: Wishful Thinkingyellowtail 2012-11-03 17:05
Not enough for any change to happen.
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Robin Wildlife
# Folly Adhe'rerRobin Wildlife 2012-10-20 07:25
Anything and everything is possible if you want to fight to obtain or keep it. The board all have personal agenda and if all seek to destroy the viability and public credibility it WILL happen. If they are as like minded as the volunteers in the field they will make it happen and rebuild the base the foundations to support the growth and the eliminate the waste.
I care very much about what is happening to wires. If wires cannot get itself back on target . Restructure its constitution and management It will have lost all credibility by 10.2013. Quote:
Wires is malfunctioning at the bottom of the pyramid due to the overloading of the apex and the weakening of its structure. It has become unstable and the support can no longer manage the burden of the apex.
This board can mend the fences and target the objective of wires or continue towards the Abyss.
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Guest
# RE: Wishful ThinkingGuest 2012-10-20 20:26
So what did happen at the AGM? Who is in?
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Robin Hood
# Robin WildlifeRobin Hood 2012-09-30 08:03
Donations and bequests to wildlife care and rescue.

From the data I read it is very clear that The money does not get to the animals and it is rare that wildlife is raised in any form or even as the priority in letters correspondence or discussion at executive levels.

Every time that I think about the lack of respect for members and the minimal concern for wild life that is permeating from the Board and management I feel that they have their fingers in my throat, hands in my pocket and screwing me for all they can get. Only to then later discarded me exhausted broke and belittled. Then they will expect my bequest. I am so disheartened with the inhumanity of these people that I see their faces in every carcass I have to return to the earth. NO! I'm not depressed I am really disappointed that the Ideals of wires is never the priority and the management is so very far remote to reality and the founders initial objectives and causing such disappointment to such a wonderful group of dedicated Volunteers.

PLEASE DO NOT PUT THESE NOSES BACK IN THE WILDLIFE'S TROPH.
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Home Made Marion.
# Take from the frugal Take from the animals and give to the improvident.Home Made Marion. 2012-09-24 20:09
What a piece of work this Secretary is.

I have correspondence from that Sacred-hairy Bird of BMC It surely was not approved by board members. Not all the board can be so unanimously bias nasty and discriminating. (We will soon find out).
I have written to her and questioned the Chairman Bill Thompson. She replies on his behalf. maybe he does not know he is not referred to only the collective we. We are not going to reply." ?

A reply stating they will not reply is most defiantly a reply. (What else is it).

Should I respond.??? I wrote this (see below) paragraph and decided to hold onto it. I now feel it is worth publishing if only for a laugh.

I am replying to your reply in which you state that you will not reply. I ask can you explain why you state you will not reply when you have replied without addressing my request for a reply to my response to the chairman Bill Thompsons request for me to reply to him which I did and he never acknowledged. This is why you are now receiving this reply to forward my other reply asking. Why no reply?
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Its time
# No replyIts time 2012-09-24 23:28
That reminds me of the reply M sent when requested to provide minutes - 'There are no minutes. There were no meetings'. That came as a surprise to me because I thought I had attended not one but two meetings.

Makes me wonder... if a Secretary doesn't keep minutes, and doesn't reply to correspondence, then what is the Secretary doing?
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guest
# RE: Take from the frugal Take from the animals and give to the improvident.guest 2012-09-25 08:21
Wires will never be professional while the Board hangs on to this secretary. It was in absolute contempt of Blue Mountains branch that the Board manipulated the system to keep her on the board. The branch had voted her out as rep in 2010 in a democratic election so she was not entitled to sit on the WSC and stand for the board. Her friends on the board made sure she returned. She is still there and will not leave as her desire for power comes before the good of Wires. You dont get a response if you are seen as wanting change. You get instead accusations and rudeness. This does not give a good impression to donors and the public and makes members angry.
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Aposematic
# On behalf of Dead and Dying Donors expectationsAposematic 2012-09-14 10:56
The FIVE D's of Wires Public Relations strategy.

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The 5 D's Dying > Dead> Donation> Dollars >Dust
The boundary/barricade set up by management to deny the members their constitutional rights is called Apartheid.
Congratulations to the management.
WIRES should be the jewel in the crown of Wildlife. WIRES requires.

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5 R's Responsive> Rescue> Refuge> Respite> Resourceful.
It only takes one person who knows how to lead; knows how to speak to people politely; knows how to wear their own indiscretions, be humane, allow for human frailty and understands why WIRES was formed. We have those people in WIRES but unfortunately none in management. Attend the AGM on behalf of our little furry and feathered friends.

Quote:
Turn the 5 D's into 5 R's
less Doh! and more Rrrrr.
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McGuyver
# NPWS InspectionsMcGuyver 2012-09-12 18:45
Does anybody know what happened to the compliance inspections that NPWS were suppose to be carrying out?
I realise with all the staff cuts that this will now not happen, but this was scheduled way before that happened. How many wildcare groups actually got inspected?
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The OliverTwist
# Please Sir May I have informationThe OliverTwist 2012-09-10 09:43
You want What?
You are only a Volunteer.
You must be taught to know your place.

With the margin for error in budgeting for WIRES having reached a point where the animals have to suffer by having an ambulance and two drivers removed rather than remove untrained staff to balance the books and employ an insider driver trained to spin the inefficiency to the unsuspecting public. It occurs to me that the next item to be removed is the food subsidy.
This leads me to wonder whether or not our members Accident Insurance has been paid. As after nearly a year there is still no indication of when we will receive an annual report and Still no co-operation from management and refusal to communicate, I have to publicly ask this.
Are the rescuers insured by management with the money members paid as part of their membership fees.
When was it renewed
Who is the insurer
What is the policy number.
I need to know.
You need to know.
Ex members left with animals need to know.
Other organisations rescuing as foster carers for wires need to know.
The management refuse to communicate with members who dare to ask.

Are we all Little Oliver's Cowed and Beaten by Bill the Beadle.
W ires is for Wildlife not Workhouse.
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Impeachenator
# Stan By and DoN othingImpeachenator 2012-09-05 13:47
Dear Stanislouse.

If you had supported John Howard the country and wires wouldn’t be so dysfunctional.
The replacements don't give a dam about responsibility for the occupation health and safety of the nation or carers or animals. You may remember asking me to get you out of an expensive and troublesome problem. I did to the benefit of all. I could have said no ‘shove it’.
Later: When I had to save 2 little birds you let me down big time. That does not worry me I am a big boy I can get things done. without a sensitive and incompetent manager.
What concerns me most is that to this day those 2 little birds would be dead if I had left it up to wires defective 2.6 million dollar system. Stan I want you to know and think about those 2 little birds when you awaken in the night. Because those two little birds are alive and symbolic of Reformwires. Every balloon has a point of failure. When this is all over and Wires can work with ethics. hearts and altruistic minds volunteers will be lined up to join and rejoin. the present pirates will be banished and shamed for their waste of funds and neglect of animals as a result. The lap top cannot replace a warm lap nor suckle and crop feed. Get on Board Stanley spill the beans save the animals save the money save the volunteers save yourself. get up stand up and save our little seed spreading fertilising insect eating tree trimming soil breaking air recycling balance of life.

Money and computers cannot breathe life into a dying animal. As Stanley you will most certainly find out one day.

I hope my TONE does not upset you as it did poor little Leanne. She is such a sensitive imposter.
As for Merry lee. She will find out one day that she could have worked for the forces of good and be remembered. We all have a choice in life unless of course you are an animal in distress. for example.

Today I learned of another wires black spot other than Sydney to Sutherland Ref. The Seagull. today it is Sydney to Bankstown. The poor vet got so upset about wires not picking up an animal. They went to an alternative group who picked it up immediately.

He is still waiting to hear from a wires rescuer. Now 26 days.

Get up STAN dup for your Rights.
(Sounds like a basis for a reform song).

Sincerely yours
The ImPeachinator
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laptop or warmlap?
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Curious
# RE: Stan By and DoN othingCurious 2012-09-05 21:45
Impeachinator do tell more what was the expensive problem you solved for Stan the Man?
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The Impeachenator
# CuriosThe Impeachenator 2012-09-11 08:46
It involves another member who is a devoted carer and a member of my own realm of carers who get things done when wires fails. you would know this person well. and understand. They are unaware that I was asked to discretely resolve the problem. which I did. The message was for Stan to remind him he let me down. And let wires down and he owes wires members and the wildlife the support that they gave him. His loyalties are misplaced.
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TUBICRQ
# UN AUSTRALIAN.TUBICRQ 2012-09-05 08:12
$2.600.000 IS A LOT OF MONEY TO NOT ACCOUNT FOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN OTHER ORGANISATIONS WHO EARN LESS GET NO GRANTS OR SUBSIDIES AND PUT 100% BACK INTO THE WILDLIFE CARE; HAVE TO SUBSIDES WIRES WASTE OF 98% OF DONATIONS AND SUBSIDIES. I DO OBJECT STRONGLY TO DONATING TO AN EFFICIENT ORGANISATION ONLY TO REALISE SOME OF IT IS USED TO PROP UP AND SUBSIDISE A WASTEFUL UNGRATEFUL AND INEFFICIENT WIRES MANAGEMENT. (NOT FOR PROFIT.)? I FEEL THEY HAVE THEIR HAND IN MY POCKET. GOD KNOWS WHAT THEY MIGHT GRAB HOLD OF NEXT.
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R  Sabout
# Stan ByeR Sabout 2012-08-28 07:59
Stan. You still there Stan Hullo! Hullo! (gone but not forgotten).

Please enlighten us with your fool proof plan to vote the Board out. I know that you cannot. Show us how it is done or are you all stuffing and no legs. We will have democracy in wires before you can explain it to us simple minded Volunteers. Maybe Little Willy can help you. The board of bastards has recently been referred to as the Echidnas. Something to do with spines pricks and always having their head in the ground and their arse exposed. You stated that you were a Chair somebody else says you’re a Stool I think you are a worn out Legless Pouf. Work for good not Evil.
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margaret
# RE: Free Speechmargaret 2012-08-27 14:40
The AGM for the Wildlife Council was yesterday. Who knows if the new rep for WIRES got elected to the executive. Wondered if WIRES were taking over.
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NWC
# ElectionNWC 2012-08-29 11:17
No WIRES member stood for the excutive of the NSW Wildlife Council. This is a first since it's inception in 2006.
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member
# RE: Electionmember 2012-08-29 15:32
Very strange. They must have a plan. If the Office of the Environment has said that it works with the NSW Wildlife Council "to ensure licensed groups have the capacity to implement sound internal governance procedures" then WIRES not being on the executive gives the Wildlife Council independence to do something. It can make sure that WIRES brings in these procedures that must include reform of the election procedure for the board. Freedom to vote in who we want on the board is what we deserve as members.
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please explain
# RE: Electionplease explain 2012-08-29 17:44
I can explain why no WIRES member stood for the executive. WIRES now only has under 1700 members, down from the time when they boasted over 2,000 or was it over 2,500. So WIRES can no longer say it is the majority shareholder in the NWC as its numbers are well under 50% of total carers represented. WIRES can no longer claim it is entitled to a spot on the executive. Not standing is aacceptaning the change in its postion. If they continue to treat the members like what the members clean up from the wildlife more will leave and the membership wil continue to fall.
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Blind Freddy.
# Aha! I see it all.Blind Freddy. 2012-08-30 08:22
Election. please explain.

Don't tell me that Wires couldn’t find a Volunteer for the job. Wires has more Volunteers than they won’t. SurelyQuote:
Ms Moralee Unbehoven
Can sneak in through the doggy door at a later date with her poisoned pen and destroy the council as well as Wires. I can only guess that nobody wished to be the symbol of Wires. and the person to answer all the questions when the annual report gets spun out to the members.
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a member
# WIRES may resign from NWCa member 2012-08-31 20:55
WIRES will probably resign from the NSW Wildlife Council, most likely why nobody ran for the executive. Maybe they have accepted defeat that they cannot take over the NWC.
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margaret
# RE: WIRES may resign from NWCmargaret 2012-09-05 08:29
That would show them to be very poor sports and teamplayers indeed and that attaining power is their only objective.
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Emu poo
# RE: WIRES may resign from NWCEmu poo 2012-11-17 07:29
Last year WIRES tried to bring changes to a special resolution, well beyond the expiration on the group discussion time allowed. They expected special treatment. They didn't get any and were overwhelmingly voted down. This upset the bully because it proved that WIRES has no influence over the NWC, and in part I expect that the NWC voted that way to make a clear statement in that regard. Democracy reigned and the WIRES rep stepped out in a huff. In comes old Buffalo Bill.
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Emu poo
# RE: WIRES may resign from NWCEmu poo 2012-11-17 07:32
Also, WIRES were not present at the NWC AGM, so couldn't take a position on the executive. The NWC has no authority. If WIRES step out all they lose is insurance coverage for members, by the sound of it they're not in a position to be increasing expenses.
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Emu poo
# RE: WIRES may resign from NWCEmu poo 2012-11-17 07:38
I might also mention that the special resolution was to allow member groups to have two votes, allowing in the most extreme case for one group to hold two positions on the executive. The intent was to enable increased participation. Despite assertions here that WIRES want to take over the NWC, they were vehemently against this resolution.
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Spartacus
# RE: WIRES may resign from NWCSpartacus 2012-11-18 17:03
Research research research!

I might point out that rw never said WIRES was in favour of this change to the NWC constitution. The comment made leading up to it was that WIRES had an "interest" in it - word reaching us was that WIRES was against it but rw wanted to count its chickens later - proof in the pudding and all that.

I might point out further that rw reported that WIRES was against it back in July 2012 (see www.reformwires.com/free-speech#comment-1037)

Anyone can find all this with a bit of research.

Ands as for WIRES not attending the NWC AGM: It doesn't take Sherlock to figure that one out. After Leanne Taylor convinced the Firearms Register that every wildlife carer in NSW was too untrustworthy and unskilled to euthanize injured animals she was about as popular as an honest person in a WIRES board meeting (pork chop... bar mitzvah etc.) - I would have stayed away too. No shit, Sherlock.
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guest
# RE: WIRES may resign from NWCguest 2012-11-18 17:12
actually its after the nwc agm when you said wires had an interest in the changes

research sherlock!
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Spartacus
# RE: WIRES may resign from NWCSpartacus 2012-11-18 17:19
Ha Ha! Yes, you are right. rw was on holidays when the NWC AGM was held.

rw heard that there had been changes to the voting rights at NWC. We heard rumours that WIRES was for it, some rumours that they were against it, and others saying they were against it but really they were for it and it was part of a bigger plan.

It took us a while to figure out which was the right one and as far as we can see WIRES was genuinely against it. That is strange because they are brazen in the allowance of far worse breaches of democratic processes in their own organisation.

I stand corrected.
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Its time
# SEWIR may resign from NWCIts time 2012-11-18 20:48
I agree Margaret. It seems that for the last few years the intention was that SEWIR would control the NWC [and seemingly all wildlife issues]. That concept seems to have come unstuck, as the NWC had a few folk who knew what was going on behind the scenes. Stan-is-a-louse has now taken his bat and ball and refusing to play. Probably best that the NWC takes the opportunity to cut SEWIR free as the problems there have been reflecting poorly on other ('innocent') wildlife groups.
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guest
# RE: SEWIR may resign from NWCguest 2012-11-19 08:22
Pity Its time that you have really good points to make but denigrate those you don't agree with. This is the same thing that wires members complain that the Wires board does to them. The NWC could be a very professional body but needs to stop the power struggles that exist and cause so much trouble in Wires.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: SEWIR may resign from NWCMagnum P.I. 2012-11-19 09:54
What? WIRES is responsible for the power struggles everywhere it pops up its ugly head. WIRES has been playing games on the NWC ever since it was founded and undermines everyone else to ensure it is seen as the only rehab group in the universe. Back stabbing and lying as per usual. The NWC will be a very professional body once it gets clear of WIRES unprofessional and underhanded ways and shitty self-important attitude. And WIRES doesn't "denigrate those it don't agree with". It secretly denigrates those it don't agree with and makes out it shit don't stink. At least Its Time did it openly and not underhandedly like WIRES does.
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Its time
# SEWIR may resign from NWCIts time 2012-11-19 11:55
Hi Guest - sorry I must have missed something - I don't understand your point. Who have I denigrated, and who don't I agree with?
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guest
# RE: SEWIR may resign from NWCguest 2012-11-19 22:15
Agree with what you say Its Time but don't think namecalling Stan and Wires adds anything.
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SWMS
# SMWSSWMS 2012-08-23 21:26
Thank you to whoever started this website. I am well aware of the same bullying and tactics being used at other wildlife rescue groups including Sydney Metropolitan Wildlife Services which was formed as a break away group from WIRES. Apparently the bad habits of WIRES management came across too and 14 years later SMWS treats it members who have an opinion just as bad as WIRES does. I wonder how many of these members of management are still in cahoots with each other (and the wildlife council)?
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a member
# RE: SMWSa member 2012-08-24 07:42
Sad to hear this SMWS as leaving WIRES and joining you was my fall back position if all else failed to bring in reform in WIRES. Certainly not going to put up with the bullying and unfairness in WIRES to go anywhere else the same. Your comment shows that the whole wildlife caring set up in NSW needs a big cleanup.
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Its time
# RE: SMWSIts time 2012-08-24 20:34
Consider youself lucky you have the choice of going to another group - some of us don't have that choice - and its time we examined why that is the case, and what role WIRES has played in that situation.
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a member
# RE: SMWSa member 2012-08-25 12:58
So right there Its time but don't know who can help. Certainly not the government or the Wildlife council which might be controlled by WIRES or will be.Members are so frightened to speak up or do anything as they see what happens to members who do and what happens at council meetings. Donors might do something to make sure their money is not wasted but they keep the donors and members separate so donors are kept in the dark.
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white ant
# Lord of the Flieswhite ant 2012-08-24 07:47
This is what happens when people are allowed to go unchecked by anyone. They make up there own rules based on their own morals and standards which could be better or worst than our own.
It's allowed to happen because government do not give wildlife a value unless it's for their own profit. But its up to us to be that voice so please join us to make some noise.
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Lorry Van Driver
# A Fair go at the Fair Ground.Lorry Van Driver 2012-08-24 09:39
SMWS.

You must be a Wires Board member. You have completely missed the point. Wires has this site imposed on it due to its poor Governance Lack of right of reply. lack of dispute resolution financial mismanagement. Animals and members rating as last and lowest priority. Bullying can be controlled and managed intelligently in other groups but not in Wires. To compare the Governance of other groups with Wires tells resigned members that you certainly have not had an opinion or questioned bad management in Wires as you are still there submissive. And were you in SMWS or other groups you would not be censured without the opportunity to respond/reply and be heard. Hence 'Reformwires' and no 'Reformsmws' or ‘reform Other groups.’ Any problem that you may have an issue with can be raised with other groups and can only be raised in wires through Reformwires. Contributors to this sight have better things to do. I know for sure we all would rather spend our time caring about animals rather than watching out for detectives and watching each other’s back. I know for sure that contributors to this site would all like to see wires reformed in a form that members can be proud of and a form that inspires new members. Open Governance and open books.
I don't mean to chew your head off. I just like to be an Aussie say what I think and give everybody A FAIR GO on the round about.
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Spartacus
# Talking of a fair goSpartacus 2012-08-24 17:35
Lorry VD:
I hear many stories about other groups and WIRES is not alone in being unfair to its members.
The rw.com objectives say:
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encourage volunteer members of other wildlife associations, veterinary surgeons, veterinary nurses, academics, and members of the public concerned about the care of Australian wildlife, all to participate in discussions and to make suggestions to improve the preservation and care of injured and sick wildlife.
SMWS is welcome to contribute to this site and I thank them for it. As the months have passed it has become clear to me that the whole of the wildlife rehabilitation sector needs restructuring to better assist native animals and the people who care for them.
S.
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Its time
# RE: A Fair go at the Fair Ground.Its time 2012-08-24 20:23
One of the big issues is that in some areas WIRES has a monopoly - no choice of moving to another group - and it appears that this situation has come about due to the influence WIRES has had in the approval process of licences.
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Spartacus
# Your email doesn't workSpartacus 2012-08-26 21:15
SMWS,

In response to your email.

I will address the most important point of your email first. Unless rw.com is raided by the Feds or we are hacked in some way, your details will be safe. It is up to you as to how much identifying information you want to reveal.

I agree that the problems with wildlife rehabilitation in NSW stem from the way the sector is arranged and regulated. These problems manifest in the way the groups conduct themselves. WIRES is not the only group and certainly not the only one treating some of its members unfairly. rw.com has been saying this from the start. Your experiences and that of your friend are not isolated events. You are welcome to post what you wish to the site, although some documentation is always helpful.

I noticed when you posted the comment on the site the other night, at the same time someone also subscribed to updates. I assumed the two were connected. I did try to send you an email using the email address supplied but it was rejected. I have tried again and still rejected.

Whether you are a spy or otherwise concerns me not - on the open plains of public-anonymity there's no need to hide and no need to spy.

Thank you for your input.
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Maggie
# RE: Your email doesn't workMaggie 2013-01-29 22:27
Yes. good on you spartacus. someone has to stand up for what is right
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Henri
# RESPECT MANNERS AND CONSIDERATIONHenri 2012-08-05 09:39
Time to redirect all donations and bequests to individual branches and specified to be for food and medical use only. The members can then disperse the funds as they wish even to the point of helping out other branches that struggle. Recently a 3 figure bequest was to go to wires and was diverted to another group because the secretary never responded. Many of our older trustworthy members hold the purse strings for our elders. If necessary any bequests can be dealt out to branches as gifts or checks for medical bills that way it all goes to animals and hq can survive on their cunning and learn to improvise and take advantage of their only asset that matter. Members!
The reason that wires has lost so much money is because they treat people so poorly that nobody trusts them and everything has to be done the hard way and without using the most precious resource the experience in the membership and trust. As Leanne Says. (I can't get any cooperation.) that is because she has no respect for anybody. Even the fundraiser says she is good on the computer but has no management skills.
RESPECT MANNERS AND CONSIDERATION COST NOTHING. One thing is for sure. The Board and management can afford RESPECT MANNERS AND CONSIDERATION
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Its time
# RE: RESPECT MANNERS AND CONSIDERATIONIts time 2012-08-24 20:37
It appears it is not possible to direct donations to anywhere other than where the management decides - even when it involves threatened species.Appears that decision rests solely with the the Board Buddies
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Henri
# Members become victims then become casualty"sHenri 2012-08-26 09:15
If donors are not permitted to be specific about where there hard earned money goes then they should be told that less than 2% will be spent on animals care and 98% will be spent on mismanagement. No donor would tolerate this if they new. Oh that's right most of them are dead. time members stood up against the Quote:
'Grave Robbers.'
More than 3 times the 2% spent annually on the animals has been redirected away from wires due to members influence and wires incompetence and this will go on indefinably. fortunately the lost donations are being spent on animals Just not through wires and that money is getting more bang for the buck.
I had not considered the members who have no alternative. That is unfortunate. If the whole branch resigns it might encourage some of the other branches to do the same and attach themselves to another group. I can assure you there is a better life after Wires. Quote:
Imagine hundreds of photos of animals waiting to be picked up Because the management treat members like trash.
.There is nothing to stop you rescueing an animal as a member of the public and caring for it because there is no alternative. Imagine the Board complaining. NO WAY.
It would come back on them like a ton of bricks. Remember the Board have bought this upon themselves. Not the members. Members and animals are the victims.
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chick-a-dee
# RE: Free Speechchick-a-dee 2012-08-01 08:35
Volunteering for WIRES is like trying to do something with one hand tied behind your back.
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White Ant
# Laugh for the dayWhite Ant 2012-07-27 07:30
Thought this may give you a laugh this morning. I was going through some papers and I found a list that appeared on the WIRES intranet titled

These polices no longer applicable to the way WIRES is organised today
7.5 Ethics Committee

6.4 Use of [term] "Friends of WIRES"
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guest
# not good politics Stan the Manguest 2012-07-22 11:27
At this time when it seems WIRES and other groups are on the nose with the Liberal state government which may be wanting to wash their hands of responsibility for regulation it is not helpfull to have the former chair of WIRES expressing his strong anti Liberal views on this site.
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guest
# RE: not good politics Stan the Manguest 2012-07-23 01:20
Yes, a good Union man through and through is our Stan. Hates the Libs with a vengeance and also hates the Game Council - jealous of the power they have - wants WIRES to have that level power - it eats away at him.
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shame
# RE: not good politics Stan the Manshame 2012-07-25 12:39
not Stan "the man for WIRES". Left as chair with divisions amongst members, an investigation bt a private eye against members who wanted change, council members with grievances left ignored and anger that he had changed the rules to keep Merrilee Verhoven on the board.A very unhappy mess left for a new chair which still has not been fixed.
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Skippy
# RE: not good politics Stan the ManSkippy 2012-07-25 13:26
There was hope when the new Chair started, that he would put aside differences and mend what had been broken which he could of easily done. Instead he to has fueled the rift and shown little respect for members caring for the animals he supposely supports.

Bill think about restanding and whether it's really in the best interest of the organisation or if it's for your own personnel gain.
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margaret
# RE: not good politics Stan the Manmargaret 2012-07-25 18:23
I reckon there will be no change in attitude until the Secretary is off the board and that will not be any time soon as she is not accountable to a branch or the membership and only has to stay rep of a governance team. She is the one pulling the strings and poor Bill is the Christine Keneally.
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The TEAM from TUBICRQ
# SOME ONE OUGHT TO DO SOMETHINGThe TEAM from TUBICRQ 2012-07-26 09:23
Dear Margaret.

MERRILLY GOVERNANCE!?
STRINGS. YES WE ALL AGREE HERE AT HQ.
A UNANIMOUS DECISION BY THE BOARD IS IN FACT OPFTEN A PERSONAL DECISION BY SECRETARY MISS MUFFET. SHE HAS MORE THAN CURDS IN HER WHEY. SHE HAS SPARTACUS ALL AROUND HER. IT MUST BE TERRIBLE FOR HER TO HAVE TO SNEAK INTO POSITIONS RATHER THAN COMPETE WITH HER PEIRS. SOME OF HER CORRESPONDENCE TO THE MAN FROM TUBICRQ IS BELLIGERENT SOME OF THE BOARD ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THEIR GOOD NAMES. IE DISCRIMINATION OF A VERY COMPETENT MEMBER WITH A DISABILITY. PERSECUTION OF A MEMBER BASED ON A NOW RETRACTED STATEMENT. THE BEST IS A LETTER RECEIVED FULL OF INSULTS AND COWARDLY THE REPLY LINE BLOCKED. I GUESS THEY MUST HAVE HAD A FEW TO MANY SHERBERTS THAT NIGHT. HOW ABOUT THE TRAINER? THAT SAID IN MY PRESENCE TO A MEMBER. "BY THE TIME I NEW YOU WERE ON THE COURSE AND A FRIEND OF THAT BASTARD BLANCCK IT WAS TO LATE TO TELL YOU TO F... O.." QQO -AHH>. (WHO WAS THAT LADY). OR. THE MEMBER WHO WAS TOLD "YOU AND YOUR BRANCH FRIENDS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE ON THIS COURSE". ETC ETC, AND MERRILY SHE KEPT ROLLING ALONG, OBLIVIOUS . or was she? IT WAS PRESENTED TO HER AND THE BOARD IN PRINT. BY SUPPORTING THIS FORM OF GOVERNANCE MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGING A CONTINUENCE OF BAD MANAGEMENT THAT WILL ONLY GET WORSE.

WELL! SOME ONE IS DOING SOMETHING BEFORE IT IS TO LATE.

IN CASE MEMBERS HAVE FORGOTTEN THE KEY WORD IS 'WILDLIFE' IT IS NOT SYNONIMOUS WITH 'EGO'
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guest
# RE: not good politics Stan the Manguest 2012-07-29 09:21
WIRES needs a professional secretary who knows what their role is. It is to make sure the paperwork is properly done and to be neutral and not take sides. A secretary should not get involved in politics and show favour to friends, be seen making high 5s with an elected board member after the AGM when those on the wrong side were defeated, be overheard at a restaurant gloating with other board members that one of the bullies on the board had been saved from having to account for his behaviour and plotting to set up members for expulsion. A supportive secretary to all members is what is needed.
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Sir Humphrey lennon.
# roll over verhoven before you get the newsSir Humphrey lennon. 2012-07-29 11:04
SPARTACUS IS REALEN AND A ROCKEN. MOVEN AND A GROOVEN.
What a piece of work this one is.
I have correspondence from that Sacredhairy bird. It surely was not approved by board members. Not all the board can be so unanimously bias nasty and discriminating. I have written to her and questioned the Chairman. She replies "We are not going to reply." ?
A reply stating they will not reply is a reply.
Should I respond with.
I am replying to your reply stating that you will not reply. I ask can you explain why you state you will not reply when you have replied without addressing my request for a reply to my response to the chairs request for me to reply which they never did and is why you are receiving this reply to forward my other reply asking. Why no reply?
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meal worm
# RE: not good politics Stan the Manmeal worm 2012-07-29 11:44
Too right! The Board Secretary thinks WIRES is a private company. If people only knew what goes on via the email, and how bias it gets.

If only she put as much effort into applying the rules of the organisation which is what should actually be doing instead of scheming behind the scenes against people she doesn't like.
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myrtle
# RE: not good politics Stan the Manmyrtle 2012-07-29 16:45
Also secretarys dont use the wires intranet as their own to promote their daughters business, use their husband to do the performance reviews on their friends on the board or do assessments on the members on council to rubbish those they dont like or send out a censure of a member to all branch secretaries in breach of privacy.
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please explain
# RE: not good politics Stan the Manplease explain 2012-09-13 07:19
A change of secretary is the first thing to do. it would make such a difference to the way members view the board and would give hope for renewal.
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The TEAM from TUBICRQ
# SOME ONE OUGHT TO DO SOMETHINGThe TEAM from TUBICRQ 2012-07-27 11:17
Especialy when stan the man stuffed up big time and had to call on a mere member to bail him out of the mess that he got himself into with Wires assets you then stood back while the new chairman selectively eliminated that member without cause hopeing it had all gone away. Stan sort it now. You know what you have to do.
I know what I have to do
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Shaudenfreuder
# To every thing tern turn termShaudenfreuder 2012-07-28 00:08
Use of TERN. What do you use a TERN for. Does this discriminate. we can use seagull instead.
Use of TERN. THAT IS UNETHICAL. ARE WE NOT SUPPOSE TO RELEASE THEM INSTEAD OF USE THEM.
Use of TERN. THIS MEANS FRIENDS OF WIRES CANNOT USE A SCHOONER WITH THREE MASTS. OR DOES IT MEAN THAT THE NON FRIENDS OF WIRES HAVE THE USE.
What are POLLICES.? Are they like a PADDLE POPS. or something that lives in your hair.
From my interpretation This Pollices do not apply to WIRES POLICIES .
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE REMOVAL OF THE TERM ( FRIENDS OF WIRES). FRIENDS ARE BECOMING OBSOLETE.
Whoever wrote this has made it void to those who read it. Therefore whatever It is supposed to say has not overridden what it is meant to say.
It does not say if it is replaced or altered.
I do not remember any survey stating or asking about members views or ethics.
This is most likely the beginning of the end for Wires as the ethics of the Board and management is clearly well beneath that of the members in the field.
Whoever wrote this deserves to be sacked if they are on the payroll.
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Skippy
# Heads are rollingSkippy 2012-07-22 08:54
Word is one Board member has been out voted for his position as WSC Representative at an AGM over the weekend.

This particular Board member did not attend very many Council meetings during the year a nice but no surprise.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Heads are rollingMagnum P.I. 2012-07-22 10:35
It was Mike Jupp - he won't be missed as he was barely even noticed.
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myrtle
# RE: Heads are rollingmyrtle 2012-07-22 11:20
Edited. S.

Just goes to show that there is some democracy and justice working within WIRES, found in a few branches. He will be missed as one of the bullyboys. One poor council member with the guts to lodge a complaint that he had been defamed by the Board, ended up being dealt with outside the constitution in a meeting when a WSC meeting should have taken place. This board member was the Chair and the member who complained was not allowed to be present and had to sit outside. The [chair of this meeting, Mike Jupp] told everyone at the closed meeting that they could not take notes or discuss what was said. After the meeting [Jupp] tried to get the member kicked off the council - guess for daring to make a complaint. So 1 bullyboy gone from the Board unless he is reincarnated as a representative of a managment team. Only 2 more to go along with 2 bullygirls.
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Skippy
# Unrecorderd meetingsSkippy 2012-07-22 15:53
Yes it was a "closed secret meeting" the contents of which were not recorded only motions.

It wasted WIRES funds as it took most all day.

There was no election of who was to chair the meeting and it appeared that the end result was pre determined.

After the meeting that it was stated it was a pot team, which is was incorrect as no motion had been made to instigate this.

And yes that is correct that when the complaintant would not comply with the outcome (with due reason) they were then subject to a motion to remove them from the WSC.

It was very nasty stuff and outside the provisions of the Constitution.
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BOOFHEAD.
# The Secretariat rules.BOOFHEAD. 2012-07-29 10:33
I am so jealous of you Skippy.

It only took one phone call to get a Unanimous decision from the Board for myself.

Were you invited to have lunch with them?

I never even got to sit outside. if you were inside you could have raised a motion that they all go home and save wires members some money and settle it on the phone. I'm buggered if I would sit outside their 'pissing hole' will they put shit on me. I happen to know you have more balls than a juggler. Surely all the whining would have given you an ear ache.

God save the wildlife.
The Board won't. They are having a problem saving themselves from the rat in the ranks.
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supporter of Bob connolly
# RE: The Secretariat rules.supporter of Bob connolly 2012-07-29 16:54
Come on Boofhead you can't compare Leichhardt Council with the WIRES board. Larry Hand and his supporters had far more wit and wisdom.
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Boofhead
# Doh. i thought you were off the wagon.Boofhead 2012-07-29 18:53
??????
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Big Bad Bob Juruncle
# connoly??Did I miss somethingBig Bad Bob Juruncle 2012-07-29 20:12
I'M JUST A CLOWN TRYING TO PROTECT OUR MEMBERS WHO ARE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR WILDLIFE. WHAT CLOUD ARE YOU ON?.
YOUR COMEING FROM LEFT FIELD.
FILL US IN DOOD.
This is were you can speak out.
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Touche
# Sneaky sneaky catch a DonkeyTouche 2012-07-29 09:59
Did he JUmPP or was he embarrassed or didn't wish to lose his ASSets when he found that his meeting was secretly recorded by a retired Agent Advocate.
You do not have to be a board member or make use of members money to be sneaky.
Who is next?
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margaret
# RE: Sneaky sneaky catch a Donkeymargaret 2012-07-29 10:49
Hey touche, who are you talking about?
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Touche
# Dear MargaretTouche 2012-07-30 09:31
I'm talking about 'The Underbirds'.
The forces and rescuers of wildlifes fight against evil.
Mild mannered people with mystical powers an empire technology and international communications. able to move undetected as a friend to all. Monitoring Gathering detecting and sifting data and dirt.

The central brain has detected that the latest Board victim JUMPPED off the plank to survive to fight for good.

Looks like another member hits the dust.
[edit].
I wish they would stick their heads in the [edit].

The JUmPPer might just be the person to tell the members where the bodies are buried and help get wWres back to wildlife care instead of being despised.
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White Ant
# RE: Dear MargaretWhite Ant 2012-07-30 10:49
I see throught your code Touche. Wishful thinking me thinks. Mike Jupp is a Board Boy thru and thru.
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Touche
# Margaret. The JUmPPer. was thrown a bouy. he took it.Touche 2012-07-31 11:03
My little birdie say’s so. [u JUmPPer is the rat from the ranks deserting the ship. JUMP was the loose lips. His only hope is to save himself..
Also My birdie tells me that somebody has a transcript of a manager listening in on a private phone call to a donor who was called by a fund raiser on Wires behalf. They detected that it sounded suspicious The caller was asked ‘ Was their somebody else listening in’. They slipped up. The second person came on line and was asked who are you. It was Leanne. They encouraged Her to declare that she was listening in unannounced.
The manager confirmed it. It is illegal to record and illegal to listen unannounced to a private call.
It is pretty piss weak when a manager and a consultant conspire against a potential donor. They were told ‘never ring again'. So they now send begging emails instead.
Now we know why the conference line was installed. It smacks of ‘Up the Windsor Road’ tactics.
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guest
# RE: Dear Margaretguest 2012-08-25 13:06
Sad that he seemed a normal human being, quietly spoken and polite then power went to his head and turned into a bully board boy overnight. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" and turns ordinary people not used to having authority into bullies.
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Guest
# RE: Heads are rollingGuest 2012-07-30 00:25
The word is that Mike Jupp (WIres Board Member) at the Branch AGM where the membership bowled him out of the WSC Rep position, also broadcast to that meeting in his annual report that WIRES Inc will most likely pull out of the peak body, the New South Wales Wildlife Council (NWC).

This is most interesting because other WIRES Branch WSC Reps say at an earlier State Management Council Meeting, they were sworn to secrecy over this very piece of information and threatened with torture and mutilation if they even thought of passing this information on to ANYONE.

Oh to be a Board Member and be able to act with impunity.
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yellowtail
# RE: Heads are rollingyellowtail 2012-07-30 08:43
As has been said before Guest, there is one rule for members of the Board and another for the mere members.

Interesting though, why would WIRES want to leave the Wildlife Council that they have been trying to take over.
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Spartacus
# SpartacusSpartacus 2012-07-30 09:04
It might have something to do with the recent changes to the NWC constitution - www.reformwires.com/home/up-front/46-oh-no-not-you-again#changecons.

Up until this proposed change, the other 28 wildlife groups in NSW were pretty slack in attending at the NWC; but once they heard there were constitutional changes on the agenda they got involved.

It is believed that they changed the constitution so that representatives AND their alternates could both serve simultaneously thereby giving one group two votes - an unfair disproportionate advantage. WIRES was dead against this it has been reported. Strange, because this is extremely similar to what WIRES did with their own WIRES State Council - Standards/Management Teams being able to vote gave some branches multiple voting rights and allowed the Board to stack the WSC - they didn't seem to mind doing it to their own members.

It looks like WIRES' own unfair tactics being used against them, and the increased number of participants at the NWC, has thwarted WIRES' plans to dominate it. This might explain the dummy-spitting idea to pack up the bat and ball and not participate - if they can't get their own way they aren't going to play. I can't understand it: The NWC was democratically elected every year. What's the problem with someone else doing what WIRES has done?

I reckon they'll be sending in the bully-boys real soon.
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an eagle
# RE: Spartacusan eagle 2012-07-30 09:30
The Office of Environment and Heritage by letter dated 5 December, 2011 said "I have requested OEH continue to work with the NSW Wildlife Council to ensure licensed groups have the capacity to implement sound internal governance procedures". I considered this comment to be odd as the NSW Wildlife Council is not a statutory authority and has no legal powers to regulate wildlife carer groups, nor should it, as it is a representative body for those organisations and should not self regulate. If it is true that WIRES was considering leaving the Council, then it really shows that OEH was incorrect in putting faith in the NSW Wildlife Council to ensure that wildlife groups in NSW had sound internal governance procedures in place as any group can just leave if it does not like what the Council requires. I certainly haven't seen any new governance procedures put in place by WIRES since this request to the Wildlife Council was made by OEH.
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White Ant
# RE: SpartacusWhite Ant 2012-07-30 10:46
The NSW Wildlife Council is being called the peak body, so it would appear that even if you were not a member you would still be governed by this body. It will be interesting to see what happens especially since the State government is axing 350 jobs from NPWS and plans to deregulate wildlife rehabilitation. Maybe we will be sending our complaints to the NSW Wildlife Council.
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an eagle
# RE: Spartacusan eagle 2012-07-30 12:48
I think that would be a disaster as it would not be proper practice to deal with complaints made against your own members. It is like the Board dealing with a complaint against itself or a member of the Board. Suggest what is required is an idependent body with statutory powers to deal with complaints and the Wildlife Council remains a body which speaks on behalf of wildlife organisations and deals with internal policies, education etc.
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guest
# RE: Spartacusguest 2012-07-30 22:16
The minister did not say she is going to deregulate wildlife rehabilitation, but that she would deregulate some wildlife licencing. There was no mention of rehabilitiation and it is more likely that she refers to the private keeping of wildlife under the Animal Keepers Licencing system. Although it would be a fantastic stroke of genius if she did deregulate licenceing for wildlife rehabilitation as the current system is a farce and has nought to do with caring for wildlife by any stretch of the imagination, as the necessity for this site proves.
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Tubicrq. P.R.
# In regards to the Council. Spartacus 2012.07.03Tubicrq. P.R. 2012-07-30 11:36
The Council should accept WIRES resignation. It is tainting the names of the 28 remaining members.

If WIRES are allowed to bully The Council as they do their members The Council might find that all other members will resign and form a new council without WIRES.

The actions taken by WIRES and information received tells us that the suspicions of members and others about the demise of Wires is reinforced

Why would they alienate themselves when they have so many other fronts to fight.?

We thought that WIRES Board would embrace any support that they can.

In conclusion I can only suggest that The WIRES Board is about to have their turn on the roundabout.

It is felt amongst us that board members are beginning to realise that They will be held financially and legally responsible. there appears to be enough evidence of irresponsible and calculated mismanagement and noticeable lack of ethics.

We have voted unanimously to ‘ Disassociate and retract any allegiance with WIRES Inc.’ Our attention resources and finances are now turned to the legalities of persecution intimidation discrimination and denial of right of reply. Compensation restitution and reinstatement of victims and an independent financial investigation.
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B Wildered
# wWo is the Auditor.B Wildered 2012-08-01 09:58
For the benefit of donors I would like to see a Who's Who of Wires on this site possibly their qualifications and a direct email address especially the Treasurer and the Auditor and access to past annual reports with a simple pie graph of expenditure. I have asked formally for a report and received not even a reply.
Consequently I am concerned and money retentive as it is not my money to be irresponsible with I am simply trying to carrying out some dying requests. To not reply is not only bad manners and ungrateful but causes me inconvenience it makes me wonder if my correspondence reached the treasurer or was deleted it definitely was received. I find myself imagining all sorts of scenarios. I have the right to use my own discretion.
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B Wildered 2
# RE: wWo is the Auditor.B Wildered 2 2012-08-01 17:06
Donors and people thinking of donating should be told that most of the donations and grants are spent on wages and administration. They need to know that they can demand that there money goes to the members to spend on the animals. Life would be so much easier if the $2M plus WIres gets each year went to the care of the animals like the donors think happens.
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yellowtail
# RE: wWo is the Auditor.yellowtail 2012-08-01 17:20
Another reason for a change of the board instead of waiting for them one by one to leave when they get too old. New members on the board who came from the ranks know the costs to members of caring for animals, They would want to change what is happening and see donated money being paid to the branches and members.
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Dopey
# Dracular looking after the blood bank.Dopey 2012-08-03 16:22
Did silly Billy frontier tell the australia day council that he discriminates against people with mild disabilities and denies them the opportunity to confront him? Despite that person being associated with the formation of the Australia day council. Not a good move Silly Billy.
Quote:
Watch this space.
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dusty
# RE: Dracular looking after the blood bank.dusty 2012-08-03 16:59
www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/SWA/Legislation/volunteers/Pages/Bullying-Volunteers.aspx

seems there is now legislation to prevent bullying and harrassment of volunteers
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Its time
# RE: Dracular looking after the blood bank.Its time 2012-08-24 20:26
So how do we go about that - given all other processes have failed.
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dusty
# RE: Dracular looking after the blood bank.dusty 2012-08-24 22:45
follow the link and contact worksafe as a start for advice, it can't hurt to try
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Henri
# Sock it to themHenri 2012-08-26 09:32
I have a legislation that is fool proof.
Do not hang around where you are not appreciated. Their is always a group looking for good volunteers. Stick it up them. tell them on this site exactly what you think of them and get others to do the same. Remember They are just the lowest form of 'Bastards. they have to live with that. write an article take a photo and send it to the news paper and the radio. how do you think 2Gb got onto this. They are just sitting on it until that annual report is published.
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B Wildered 3
# Board of Directors WIRES IncB Wildered 3 2012-08-02 15:40
For the benefit of donors and members who may not be aware of who is responsible for WIRES Inc.

Wires Board Oct 2011 - Oct 2012

Executive
Chair Bill Thompson
Vice Chair Bill Fortier
Treasurer Margaret Clinton
Secretary Merrilee Verhoeven

Board Members
Vickii Lett
Mike Jupp
Vanessa Martin
Margaret Cooper
Stuart Elser

All enquiries throught the Secretary [edit]
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Dopey
# Dracular looking after the blood bank.Dopey 2012-08-03 16:16
How do you present information to these People about the secretary without the secretary intercepting the correspondence.??
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please explain
# RE: Dracular looking after the blood bank.please explain 2012-08-24 17:31
That is impossible as she runs the show.
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guest
# RE: Heads are rollingguest 2012-07-23 01:25
Hope this replacement person is ready to have his/her life turned upside down having these hate-filled, power hungry psychopaths plotting and planning to ruin his life and bring about his execution. Good luck to him - I hope his eyes are open but I doubt it. It's not possible for 'normal' people to estimate the evil and obsessiveness of these individuals. He is probably already confiding in those who plot against him. Lamb to the slaughter.
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anon
# RE: Heads are rollinganon 2012-07-23 08:01
Yes your right guest, last time heads rolled at a AGM, there was hell to pay.

His/her branch should support their new WSC Rep and get ready for the other Board members to come down heavily on the branch. This already happens when a branch defies the Board. Contact other branches you know have been through hard times for help.

Be ready, know the Constitution, and stick together and fight for your rights.
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Truthurts
# Heads are rollingTruthurts 2012-07-23 10:42
This branch in question was heading for self destruction. What had happened on the weekend was a lifeline. It was in desperate need for new blood and now I am sure it will slowly progress to be a strong and viable branch. The new chair and vice chair have not taken up such positions for self importance or power play, they are simply committing themselves to feed their passion in caring and doing what is best for the wildlife. Isn't that what WIRES is all about ?!? The powers to be have lost the plot, they forget that we are all volunteers and everyone should be helped and encouraged to do the best we can in helping our wildlife instead of being thrown into this political quagmire. C'mon you lot, WAKE UP TO YOURSELVES !!
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an eagle
# RE: Heads are rollingan eagle 2012-07-23 17:22
Congratulations new WSC Rep, Chair and Vice Chair and your Branch. You are not alone as there are other branches and many members who have the same views.
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Its time
# RE: Heads are rollingIts time 2012-08-24 20:30
Some of us did WAKE UP TO OURSELVES a long time back - but the local election process in WIRES put paid to any idea of change.
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guest
# RE: Heads are rollingguest 2012-07-23 16:57
Yes that was 2010 when Jim Watt, Caroline Enfield and Merrilee Verhoeven, all mates and members of the Board were not re elected as WSC reps and could not then restand for the Board. They managed to get Merrilee Verhoeven back by manipulating the system and it wasn't long be fore the other two were also back on council. But the repercussions were terrible and they pursued reformist members by a private investigator and defamed them by incorrect accusations. Best of luck to this new rep. They can be very nice until you say something that they dont agree with or you ask for something they dont want to give you.
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skippy
# still underminingskippy 2012-07-24 07:44
Members are still being undermined set up and Council meetings manipulated.
All for what? The Board members don't look after animals, don't get paid, and if they think they are bettering things for animals take a look at the membership figures there going down so whats in it for them?
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guest
# RE: still underminingguest 2012-07-25 07:25
It is all for the power and glory, nothing more and the reason that no outsiders to the inner circle are welcome on the board or management teams. It also explains why there are so many males on the board, disproportionate to the number of females who do the work of WIRES caring for the wildlife. It would be interesting to see a chart showing the % of the work done by females to males. It is shameful that the Chair and Vice Chair are both males in an organisation made up mainly of females. No disrespect to you hard working male members.
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shame
# RE: still underminingshame 2012-07-25 12:43
There is no glory now that reformwires has shown everyone what the board has been doing. One of them convinced Gosford council to give him an award but there will be no more. They should stand down and give WIRES a break to repair its reputation.
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meal worm
# RE: Heads are rollingmeal worm 2012-07-27 10:46
Watch out the WSC rep for the reptile team bet there's already plotting to back stab her so he can be and resurrected and back on the Board.
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yellowtail
# RE: Heads are rollingyellowtail 2012-07-27 13:06
Yup thats how they get their own people back on the board and they never have to face the displeasure of their branch again. There is no need for them to even turn up at branch meetings as they are safe sitting on a management team for 4 years without any elections other than a wink wink election of the rep each year. Imagine if they tried this in the real world.
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BearPaws
# RE: Free SpeechBearPaws 2012-07-05 14:01
Has anyone seen this website - www.peeweespamperedpetproducts.com
we need to stop this idiot from exploiting our wonderful native wildlife, this concerns me greatly!!
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Apache
# RE: Free SpeechApache 2012-07-05 15:32
I've looked at the website and these people are in the usa. They farm wallabies as pets and I sort of wonder if thats a bad thing. If people in oz were able to do that then maybe we could stop all this hunting of natural wild populations. And if these americans keep them as pets then they will be more likely to value roos. I think the reason native animals are in so much trouble is because the average person sees them as having no value and maybe making them valuable in money might actually help them. I don't think these people are doing anything wrong.
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SaTAN WOOD
# RE: Free SpeechSaTAN WOOD 2012-07-05 21:28
if its in the USA then its not native wildlife there
should be more concerned with whats happening in oz!
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Underturd
# Sophies choiceUnderturd 2012-07-04 08:46
I am afraid that a thank you is no longer appropriate. An apology accompanied with a resignation would be more appropriate.
When I speak with others, the conversation always contains the words "Those Barsteds" and we all know who the reference is to.Sorry about the spelling.
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Truthurts
# RecognitionTruthurts 2012-06-28 09:41
We are all volunteers and most of us put in a lot of time and effort and sacrifices to do what we joined for. Although I did not join for any reward apart from helping the animals, it can be at times very strenuous. It would be a good moral booster if every now and then we get a thank you from the powers up above. It's not hard to do, Let me give you an example - To all our valued WIRES Members, we would like to say a big thank you for your :P continuous effort in helping Australia's Native Wild Life within our organization, keep up the good work. WIRES inc. Too easy. :P
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White ant
# RE: RecognitionWhite ant 2012-06-28 12:51
Yes I agree we all joined to take care of animals with like minded people and really make a difference for the voiceless.
Only to find that for people sitting on the management positions, who have been there for a long time (and don't look after animals anymore) have lost their way and their empathy to the animals and the people caring for them. They need to step aside go and do some soul serching and take care of some animals maybe then they will understand what this site is about.
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margaret
# RE: Recognitionmargaret 2012-06-28 17:09
There is one board member who is not connected with a branch at all and does no caring. She would not know what problems the carers have and for sure is not representing carers interests sitting on the board yr in yr out.
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Spartacus
# You really want a thank you?Spartacus 2012-07-01 20:49
You already got a thank you from the board back in 2010. Remember? What a wonderful thank you that was too.
http://reformwires.com/info/documents/42-wires-thank-you
If they did do another thank you, who would they publicly humiliate this time?
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guest
# RE: Recognitionguest 2012-07-30 22:23
Don't hold your breath waiting for a thank-you, that's not what it's about for them. You will soon pass away from lack of oxygen - they just suck it out of you.
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DOGGED
# DROWNING NOT WAVINGDOGGED 2012-06-22 22:12
Today we received the usual UNSOLICITED newsletter# 32 #31 seems to have been bypassed. # 29 has been regenerated from Corporate car host 17.5.2012 to Say no to hunting in national Parks 12.6.2012. not very professional! #32 has The begging note reminding us that we only have 9 days to make a donation to WIRES to be able to include it in our tax return.

THE BOARD/MANAGEMENT OF WIRES FORGOT TO RESPOND TO OUR COMPANY’S GENEROUS OFFER TO SPONSOR A VAN LAST YEAR. AS A RESULT IT WAS NOT FORTHCOMING. HOW DO WIRES KNOW HOW MUCH THEY NEED IF 1. THEY DO NOT ACCEPT THE OFFER OF A SUBSTANTIAL DONATION AND 2. THEY HAVE NOT CONCLUDED THEIR FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. WIRES IS SO CONCERNED THAT WE GET OUR BUSINESS DEALINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE THEY HAVE FAILED TO SEE THEY HAVE BECOME SUSPICIOUSLY INCOMPETENT AND RECKLESS WITH 2 MILLION DOLLARS OF PUBLIC MONEY. THEY HAVE 9 DAYS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO BEGIN COLATING A REPORT FOR THIS YEAR. IS THIS A LAST STITCHED ATTEMPT TO TRY TO SHOW AN INCLINE IN WIRES FINANCE???? BEFORE REVEALING AN ALARMING DECLINE IN THE LAST NOT YET PUBLISHED 266 DAYS OVERDUE ANNUAL REPORT.

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Only 9 days until the end of the tax year.
You can help wildlife by donating to our Winter Appeal. Donations over $2 are tax deductible.
Donate online now
You can also help by forwarding this message to a friend if you know someone who cares about native wildlife.
SHOULD READ.
ONLY 9 DAYS TO SAVE US FROM OUR CALCULATED INCOMPETENT MANAGEMENT AND BELIGERENCE TOWARDS EXEMPLARY MEMBERS AND MEMBERS WHO CARE ABOUT OUR NATIVE WILDLIFE AND ALSO ARE POTENTIAL EXEMPLARY MEMBERS.
It seems that wires management have lost their integrity. The veracity of their advances towards members staff and contributors seems in vain.

I APOLOGISE FOR SHOUTING.
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a guest
# RE: DROWNING NOT WAVINGa guest 2012-06-24 08:20
Dontions are not going to the wildlife which needs medication, vets,food and housing. The members provide this from their own money. Donations go to pay a burocracy trips for volunteer board members and private investigation of its members.
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Just a pensioner !
# wires do not subsidise the wildlife food i have a problem feeding myselfJust a pensioner ! 2012-06-16 22:34
How much tax are wildlife animals paying for the right to breath out co2 in the suburbs
The native animals that I have in care are poisoning us with carbon.! how much will we have to pay to counteract the levy. can we claim a rebate if we place plants in the cages.what does the executive of wires have to say about this problem
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Highway Patrol
# RE: wires do not subsidise the wildlife food i have a problem feeding myselfHighway Patrol 2012-06-16 23:06
Take a deep breath, place your mouth over the end of the tube and blow with one continuous breath until I say "stop".
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Stan dards!
# Apology refusedStan dards! 2012-06-16 14:58
I was appalled by a recent email from WIRES. The subject was about legal hunting of feral animals in the national parks etc. attached was a photo of a kangaroo with an arrow through it"s head. obviously an illegal hunter. surely the argument is not served by unrelated photos. Especially when the editor apologised in advance and the photo was center screen with out an option to not preview the "disturbing" photo.
Quote:
"We apologise for sending such a disturbing image".
what gives WIRES the right to send disturbing emails to sponsors and mops and members. The cause might be right but the shock treatment just gets my back up. if i placed that on the intranet site it would be removed
we can't get an annual report yet we get unsolicited correspondence and begging letters. Members see enough cruelty in their every day rescues it does not need to be sent into our homes. No other animal advocates have stooped to these tactics.
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guest
# RE: Apology refusedguest 2012-06-16 16:08
There will not be a strong compaign by WIRES against the state govt on this as WIRES needs the govt to protect it and not look too closely at complaints made to the office of the environment. On the other hand the govt needs WIRES to take care of its responsibility to the wildlife as if WIRES wasn't there the govt would have a big budget item to do this work. So it's a cosy situation where you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours and the rights of animals to protection in middle are ignored.
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Apache
# RE: Apology refusedApache 2012-06-18 19:16
Is WIRES a wildlife rescue org or an animal rights group? What has this issue got to do with WIRES? Is WIRES being used for a political purpose by others with other agenda?
One of the biggest threats to native animals is feral animals. Here is the Govt doing something to reduce the numbers of ferals and WIRES is against it because it involves shooters who they see as evil. They reckon these shooters will go into parks and kill natives but that happens now on occasion but without any feral control to match. And this new policy includes supervision of the shooters to make sure they only take ferals.
WIRES should pull out the records and show how many animals they have cared for in the last year due to hunters and how many due to ferals and let that guide them rather than being hijacked by persoanl agendas as usual.
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grasshopper
# RE: Apology refusedgrasshopper 2012-06-19 14:03
Apache, WIRES Constitution (f) fostering promoting and advocating an awareness in the community and government of the dangers to and the need to protect native wildlife and its habitat.
Do you mean like the government supervises the Kangaroo cull, and duck hunting?
How much money do you think they will use for supervision, training and education. Most of these recreationial amature hunters and lets not forget 12 year olds would not know the difference between a native animal and feral one.
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Apache
# RE: Apology refusedApache 2012-06-21 03:51
Still not answering the question. Why so passionate about shooting ferals when going by the numbers ferals are more of a threat to native animals than are shooters? Seems backwards.
Ferals are a serious known danger to native animals, and their removal assists in protecting wildlife and habitat. So why is WIRES not fostering, promoting and advocating an awareness in the community and government of this danger? Why? They have an agenda, that's why. They want to be sexy, controversial and stir up some cash no doubt.
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CURIOSER & CURIOSER
# Double StandardsCURIOSER & CURIOSER 2012-06-21 09:24
From my personal experience more animals die and suffer needlessly waiting to be picked up by WIRES from vets than inadvertently shot by hunters legal or illegal
It became such a problem that it triggered my transfer to another group. It became obvious that management did not wish to be informed of or sight animals in distress. i.e. it is ok for management to refuse to look into a suffering animal problem.. Quote:
ref #29. “may find the images disturbing”.
Management can send such disturbing images to members. Members cannot send disturbing images to management even if it is only in text. It seems management are easily upset when confronted with the problems they cause. I am lead to believe from witnesses that an imagined speck of blood sparked the need to spend up to $20.000.00 of animal welfare funds to manipulate a member to help resurrect a spot of dry blood back to life. It failed.
It seems that the Call Centre lacks experienced and knowledgeable staff. It started out by not answering calls then progressed to not answering letters and now not even acknowledging emails. and withholding members personal details from the member. How do you know what is contained in your file. A conversation with a WIRES consultant found that person telling me things about myself that were fabricated and baseless. The consultant did not realise to whom they were speaking. Their lack of confidence in management was expressed and the financial decline was discussed and the waste on the vans discussed. Further decline was predicted. the true relationship was revealed to not be as advertised. Please understand that Wires as are other animal advocates full of big hearts and open wallets. There are always those who exploit it. Wires management have long arms that reach into the pockets of trusting people. Beware of those with gravel rash on their knuckles.
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guest
# RE: Double Standardsguest 2012-06-22 08:33
wires keeps secret dossiers on its members like asio and members have no idea what is in them. Who knows how many people have been defamed in that $20,000 plus report. freedom of information does not apply to wires andit is beyond any laws to reveal what it has made up on members. so what hppened to the story on the kurnell allegations Spartacus.
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Spartacus
# RE: Double StandardsSpartacus 2012-06-22 16:26
It will be done.
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myrtle
# RE: Double Standardsmyrtle 2012-07-21 09:14
There are many members and ex members and probably donors that want to know the truth behind the Kurnell allegations, why all this public money was spent to try to destroy reputations of members and what was in the report which was never shown to those accused.
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Portia
# The carer of VenicePortia 2012-07-21 22:55
The executive have destroyed their own reputation. All are suspicious of each other.
It is clear that a speck of blood will cost the pound of flesh.

Quote:
'Sufferance is the badge.'
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wallaby
# RE: Double Standardswallaby 2012-06-22 08:40
You can be careless with spending money on big things like new flashy vans without managment plans and any due diligence when is not your money and you dont have to account to the donors or publish your annual report.
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Henri
# RE: Free SpeechHenri 2012-03-31 18:22
Having read the WIRESREFORM site. I will not approve or forward anymore donations from our company. This can be overcome with the presentation of a current financial statement on this site from WIRES. We had offered to finance a van WIRES did not provide the vital or any form of information required to release the funds.
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dusty
# RE: Free Speechdusty 2012-03-31 21:19
Hi Henri,
WIRES inc is unlikely to post anything on this site! It would be very helpful if you could advise WIRES inc of the reasons you will not donate, perhaps hearing from donor disatisfaction will make them listen to the need for change as it does not seem they will listen to members
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2012-04-01 08:05
Thanks Henri for posting this. The members and Council never here this information. Please write to WIRES and let them know why you will not be donating. It is such a shame as your donation would have been very valuable, specially since one van was taken off the road due to not having enough money. This donation would have also gone directly to help animals. I hope one day we can earn your donation back.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-04-01 15:04
The van was taken off the road for lack of money? How much money does WIRES need? They bring in millions. What you meant to say was “the van was taken off the road due to lack of money after WIRES spent the millions it scrounged off the public on everything other than looking after animals or supporting the volunteers who do”. No, sorry, the donation probably wouldn’t have gone to directly helping animals - that van was woefully mismanaged just like the call-centre, head-office and everything else WIRES.
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2012-04-02 08:23
Sorry Magnum PI, If a company gave a donation specially for the rescue van to keep it on the road for a year that is what it would be used for. Therefore the donation would be helping the animals directly.
I do agree that better management is needed everywhere in WIRES. At the time one van was taken off the road WIRES had very little money.
At the time the van’s were set up for emergency rescues and a need to get get animals out of vets to carers quicker, Sydney region has a younger demographic of rescuers in Sydney who work during the day. But due to a falling membership, inactive volunteers and more phones rescue phones calls coming in the van is now used more.
There are a few branches that are using the van more than others, there are also black spots within Sydney with no members to pick up animals. It’s up to the Board and GM to speak to these branches and sort them out some have not had a RIC Course for years or cancel them at the last minute.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-04-02 12:28
white ant, you’re stitching some heavy duty silver-lamé into that dark cloud!

Why are there no members? Why are there "black-spots"? Could it be that members get no support - that all the money is spent on "vans" and "call centres" and not on the members looking after the animals? And for thanks they get bullied too?

If there were members maybe they could pick-up the animals. Many "younger-demographic" types are not available during the day, so why not have retired people and the like to just do the transport from A. to B. - no rescuing or caring? Because WIRES board (and many members) are up themselves about being a WIRES "rescuer" - you have to do "everything" or nothing at all. Black and white - very severe, almost Germanic. That’s why you can’t have just "phone operators", or "transporters". Its also why paid staff and volunteers are not allowed to work together in the call centre, because "they clash", there becomes an "us and them", "two tiered" workplace (I’ve heard each one of these lamé excuses).

What that tells me is there are some people who let being in WIRES go to their heads and get all Nazi Party on you. WIRES solution is to homogenise everyone - "you’re all the same so now there’s no conflict to manage" - that’s a solution? That doesn’t solve the problem of some people puffing themselves up, it just covers it up.

With the money spent on the vans you could run a small temporary housing facility where the transporters or the public could drop off animals while they await assessment and assignment. But that’s not as lamé-like and flashy as lining the cloud with a "rescue van". That van has nothing to do with animals - it is the trappings of empire - a billboard - a news story - ostentatious. It doesn’t solve the real problem of no members it just hides it.

The board and GM need to "speak to these branches and sort them out"! You want the board and GM to get involved in the operations of the branch? You know where that leads. WIRES is a bloody mess...

Its so typical of someone in WIRES: They receive the WIRES authority, the training and experience, and it becomes indoctrination. There are other ways of organising things, of doing things, that don’t fit the "WIRES model" and they work much better. The problem is you’d have to give up on the WIRES you know, change, and that is not allowed because WIRES is as SaTAN said "a sacred cow". No imagination.

As John Lennon once sang:
Imagine there’s no branches,
I wonder if you can,
carers with their own licence,
and no rescue van,
Imagine all the money,
finding the sick an-i-mals,
ooo ooo oo-oo-oo,
you may say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one...
"
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-04-02 12:42
Silver? Gold!
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Naive
# RE: Free SpeechNaive 2012-04-02 18:05
Sorry Spartacus.I’m transferering my affections to Magnum PI.Brillantly said.The rescue van/s are more of a “look at moi,look at moi” exercise desighed to make the public think there are superhero animal rescuers inside,able to leap tall buildings in a single bound etc etc etc.ANd maybe the public will donate to WIRES.
The last thing the branches need is more interference from the Board.If there are black spots in Sydney then for sure it needs to be investigated but NOT by the board who have proven themselves time and again to be nothing more than showponies for their own agendas.My guess is the board has already dragged those branches down to its own pond scum level.
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dusty
# RE: Free Speechdusty 2012-04-03 20:30
Magnum PI
you should be on the committee( i refuse to call it a board) youv’e got IMAGINATION!
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Blog bandit
# RE: Free SpeechBlog bandit 2012-06-30 01:06
Its up to the board and GM to sort these branches out??.. No person in any branch is under any obligation nor can they be forced to hold a RICC course, every member is a volunteer , why don't WIRES hold these courses? It should be WIREs doing the training as its WIRES who needs the volunteers
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meal worm
# RE: Free Speechmeal worm 2012-06-30 14:55
That's a very good idea,I have asked the same question. When you look how WIRES is set up every branch is set up as a "franchise" so BMC and volunteers become responsible for everything that branch does. This set up also makes every branch separated from each other, some branches even alienate neighbouring ones, its very unhealthy and unconnected.
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Magnum P.I.
# Great DivideMagnum P.I. 2012-06-30 17:35
This franchise system also keeps the board in power. All any board member has to do is control their branch, knock off anyone half decent early and keep their roll as wsc rep.
Also this is just what WIRES HO wants - to keep everyone separated. That's why they got rid of volunteers in the call centre - members manning the phones meant they could keep tabs on what was really going on and keep in contact with other branches. Divide and conquer.
One last point about that - with money going to branches and to HO no one really knows what is going on with finances. Some branches support their members while others exploit them. The public can't see the accounts for the branches it all gets blended into HO accounts.
Simple - get rid of the branches - make WIRES a single organisation where every member is equal and equally treated.
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yellowtail
# RE: Free Speechyellowtail 2012-07-01 20:28
Called divide and rule Free speech. Means it is hard for members from different branches to organise themselves and overthrow the long sitting members of the board.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-07-22 23:56
Sorry white ant - not sure what kind of world you live in, not the REAL WIRES world. Many years ago a well known overseas bank donated $80,000 for a purpose built reptile van to stop the reptiles being killed by heat stress in the middle of summer. This donation never saw the light of day. I wonder if anyone told the donor? You need to wake up white ant. Many more reptiles died after this while the cash was secreted away and used for??????
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white ant
# Real WIRES Worldwhite ant 2012-07-24 07:50
I assure you guest I live in the REAL WIRES WORLD. Unless fundrasing was used to get money for a specific project it can be used in way the charity see fit. Although this is legal it is not moral. I would be checking the fundrasing appeals that WIRES does and look at the content of the promotion of these if this doesnt match up they are in breach of the law.
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Apache
# RE: Real WIRES WorldApache 2012-07-24 08:32
how would someone get the details of that? wires never gives its members any details of anything. its all well and good to say it should happen like that and it does on paper but everyone knows wires does whatevr it wants.
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White Ant
# RE: Real WIRES WorldWhite Ant 2012-07-25 13:33
Yes Apache you are absolutely correct. There is no regulation in place on charirites to look at or investigate what money is spent on.

You only have to look in the News the Medical Union administrators spent members union fees over many years on family giving them wages and land etc.

What is the WIRES gift fund directors doing? Do they know what the money is actually spent on or do they just sign it away?

There is no accountibility or responisbility with a volunteer Board having control and spending the money.
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guest
# RE: Real WIRES Worldguest 2012-07-24 21:08
The members of a branch decided to hold a fundraiser to raise funds to support a specific member who was caring for large numbers of raptors which is incredibly expensive. Food for raptors is rodents which are unbelievable costly. The fundraiser was for this purpose only. The fundraiser was held at a school. Branches are unable to hold any fundraising event without gaining permission from head office. After the event head office contacted the school and told them the money must be sent to head office and not to the branch (a deliberate lie). Needless to say the branch never saw a cent and the member was never given any financial assistance with their amazingly expensive task of caring for native wildlife. This was a deliberate and deceitful undermining of the members and deliberately misled the public. Unfortunately this was not an isolated incidence but has been and is repeated in other branches. Why would members bother trying to raise funds for their branches when the money is stolen from them by the very organisation that should be supporting them? I wonder what that money was spent on? Wouldn't be the WIRES Board and their cronies would it? You can rest assured it wasn't spent on animals. No one will ever know what the money was spent on because the financial records of head office are kept secret. Wake up White Ant - or are you on the payroll?

[So that's what happened - I reported it here www.reformwires.com/home/up-front/46-oh-no-not-you-again#candybaby, S.]
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Glider
# RE: Real WIRES WorldGlider 2012-07-24 21:42
I heard the branch chair was behind it. He's made sure money went to head office before.
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audit 1
# RE: Free Speechaudit 1 2012-04-01 08:52
Henri
Flush your donation down the toilet you will receive more pleasure from it and it will end up arriving at the same destination and doing just as much good for animals along the way. You will never receive an Annual Report. But! WIRES will get your statement in the end. I happen to know that this site is read critically by Board Management and Council. After 50 years of accounting I smell a Receiver.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-04-03 18:30
A receiver looks like the only way to get rid of those members who seem quite happy to stay sitting on their board seats while WIRES sinks around them. What a waste of generous donors money that they throw into private investigations of members and rescue vans that they can’t keep on the roads. Donors like Henri should be asking to look at the books and to see where their hard earned money is being spent.
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2012-04-03 14:18
This is not the first time that corporate money has been lost - and also due to the problems in management.
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Non Provoketeur
# RE: Free SpeechNon Provoketeur 2012-03-31 18:13
It seems that wires cannot find a member in all of Sydney to rescue a seagull At Botany Bay it has a hook in it and line entangled around it. so where are the vans. why do they palm off all of their self imposed failure to other groups. Do they offer financial assistance for the care of animals that they are unable to service due to the board and management deliberatly removing and intimidating members who would have dropped everything to assist.
Wires is now paying people to answer the phones however the volunteers who did this earlier and the vital members are not their to respond. This is not only cruel to animals it is false advertising.
and a waste of hard earned donors money. Wires not only is bludging on donors it now bludges on other organisations. the cost is carcasses. t6he money donated to wires seems to be for the purpose of employing incompetence. Shame on the board shame on the management and shame on the fund raisers. they forget one vital ingredient ’ Humanity .’ COMPUTER SAY’S NO.
SHAME SHAME SHAME.
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2012-04-01 08:06
Was this seagull was rescued?
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The man from TUBICRQ
# SeagullThe man from TUBICRQ 2012-06-16 11:27
After a month of persistence and the help of some homeless people the seagull was captured. The bird was not in a very good state. The hook was not able to be removed successfully by the vet. The good news is that the bird has contributed to the TUBICRQ feather bank.
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Spartacus
# DisgracefulSpartacus 2012-07-01 20:56
A group of homeless people with not even enough money to get a bed for the night were able to save this bird while WIRES did nothing.
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Curmudgeon
# RE: Free SpeechCurmudgeon 2012-03-23 14:59
Dear Spartacus
How do you stop Wires from sending begging letters to people who are dead?.
IE. Today we intercepted/received an email asking for donations for the WIRES’ Autumn Appeal.’
The recipient did not want to know about it. She is still dead.
Only leaches hang on when you are gone.
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-23 17:41
Don’t say “dead”! Say she’s “bankrupt” - that should do it.
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-22 09:31
I’ve given the facebook page a makeover - use the little orange “f” down on the right of the page to take a look.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-03-21 14:03
A person at Dept of Fair Trading says that the annual report has to be given at the AGM as WIres is a tier 1 association. It should have been there for members in october 2011 so where is it?
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2012-03-21 20:28
If your not happy with this please write to Fair trading at let them know
Attention Mr Anthony Roberts MP
Minister of Fair Trading
The members of WIRES have not seen the NSW Wildlife Information Rescue and Educational Service 2011 Annual Report, which The Board should have been presented at the October 2010 AGM.
Email
The more the better!
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Concerned member
# RE: Free SpeechConcerned member 2012-03-20 22:03
“Can’t do phone duty cause i work full time” Wow I wish my conscious would let me do that!!! some of our members not only work full time, but go home at lunch time to feed animals, do rescues, contribute to the branch in other ways, some even do up to 26 feeds a day, and take care of elderly family, and YEP they do phone duty!!! SO working full time is no excuse at all.
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anon
# RE: Free Speechanon 2012-03-21 07:49
There is also weekends for phone duty!. Even if you worked phones for 1 day a month, that’s still contributing.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-03-21 08:09
I agree, especially if you are on the BMC. Members of the BMC are there to guide the Branch and run it efficiently, and should be setting an example. There will always be times in our lives that it’s not possible for one reason or another to do phone duty or other things, but working full time is just a cop out, and totally disrespectful to everyone else in the branch.
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Naive
# RE: Free SpeechNaive 2012-03-24 00:31
What a lame excuse.People in our branch regularly do 5or6 phone shifts a month AND they work fulltime.
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batfink
# RE: Free Speechbatfink 2012-04-21 19:16
Yep - lamest excuse ever. Our branch gets that too. Don't the majority of us work fulltime? "Can't do phones because I answer the phone at work so the last thing I want to do at home is answer more phones" OMG what a crock. Try working in a callcentre and taking anywhere up to 130 calls in ONE DAY!!! and that member still takes more than their share of phone shifts (because other members are refusing) Why even be in WIRES if you only want to do the few things that suit you?
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-04-22 05:29
I disagree batfink.
People should be allowed to join WIRES and do different roles. Why not allow some people to join as associate members and be just phone ops or help in other ways like picking animals up from vets etc. and why not allow some people to be just rescuers or just foster carers.
Problem is WIRES gives people off the street a 2 day course then throws them out there and expects them to do every job. The whole way WIRES goes about things is wrong. If there was a steady and supervised progression with fixed objective assessment - you start as a probationary and can only do rescues or foster care and then have to pass a test (not set or marked by a branch) etc. then everyone would have time to see if it was right for that person.
The reason no doubt that WIRES doesn’t allow branches to refuse memberships is because it is open to abuse, where BMCs run by a small group of close friends only allow their friends to join. That’s the big problem with your suggestion and unless you change the whole way members are recruited and trained there is no way of fixing it.

But of course no one in management at WIRES has the brains to figure it out.
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Naive
# RE: Free SpeechNaive 2012-04-22 07:00
I agree with batfink AND MagnumPI.

batfink is correct.i also dont see the point of people doing the training and then doing absolutely nothing.lame excuses about why people cant do phone duty or rescues dont help.hey people if you’re gonna join at least do something.
Magnum also makes a good point.there should be some scope for people who join to take on either minor or "selective" roles to fit in with their lives.phones can be daunting but perhaps those people who dont like the phones can do pick ups from vets etc.every little bit helps the animals. A much better management structure is required but as this is driven from the top and the top of WIRES is inhabited by people more interested in playing childish games i guess it will go nowhere.god forbid someone tell the board to do something constructive !
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2012-03-19 08:36
It’s a shame that reformWIRES had to let us know about who the new van driver. The SRO was very open when they advertised the job, however not very transparent when they decided who got the job. Not really surprising who the was awarded the position. I suspect the only reason they advertised the position was so it would have appeared on this site.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-03-19 21:47
So who in WIRES has authority to scrutinise the procedure? No=one I guess.
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back to basics
# RE: Free Speechback to basics 2012-03-20 22:38
so....who did get the job?
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-21 02:01
Have you not been looking at the front page? Before you look! We’ll just test your psychic powers... the temporary driver, a good friend of Maggie Cooper (board member), applied for the job. It was, I am sure, a fair and unbiased selection process, so it could have been anyone in the world who can drive a car. Go on, rub those runes, consult the stars... take a guess!
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-18 17:17
Thumbs up if you like the new layout. Do you like the “Latest Comments” thread down the right hand side?
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-16 20:04
This exchange has been going on over in OPEN DEBATE under an old story "Donors’ Money - Who Gets It" I found it interesting and for those who don’t troll (I have to troll this site) I thought you might find it interesting too.
S.
Guest - 10 wks ago
Plenty of other groups manage to run 24 hour call service without having to pay rent or pay employees...
Guest - 10 wks ago
The going to home sort of works in small areas where the phone area is the same as the rescue area and there are only 20 or 30 calls a day but lots of branchs have troubel getting phonies even then. It used to be in Sydney but now there are to many calls and too many branchs in the same phone area fo mops can’t work out which number to call if it goes branch by branch. You can’t get rescues for engadine if you’re on the north shore and working from home
Magnum P.I. - 9 hrs ago
If the nrma and other groups can work it out then why can’t you? there is a thing called technology. a central number that relays to a trained carer at their home anywhere in NSW. You could have 100’s of trained people on call and ready - stop being deliberately backward. Using a real working database they could organize a rescue to anywhere - what a bullshit excuse Guest - more slimy spanner in the works from you - you have an agenda so does wires - to prop up an empire to keep their egos in.
Guest - 6 hrs ago
That is realy clever. I am backward about stuff like that. No problem admitig it. Just learnd to text last year. How do they work out who can rescue what like bats and snaekes and if theyre home? Dose it go to next carer if not answered? What if goes to a answer service? Or carer is on holiday? Dont expect to get answer so complicated but it makes me wonder. Dont even try to understand how computers work either. Lots of poeple smarter than me about lots of things... ONe more queston. Wish I finished thinking before clickig. How much is setup and keeping running costs? Could it do all groups or will there be difrent numbers for difrent groups?
Magnum P.I. - 1 hr ago
You can ring the ONE nrma mumber from anywhere outside sydney and they connect you to your nearest office using your phone number as a guide. Not the point though.
You could have registered phone ops all over the state rostered on at different times - maybe 30 or more on call. Someone rings a single number and the exchange/pabx then directs it to the next available PHONE OP (no need for them to leave home, be paid, or go to FORESTVILLE and they could run 24hrs a day and for FREEEEEEEE). Going direct to a carer with rescues, which are complicated, makes no sense at all.
So you could be in grafton, call one number and get a PHONE OP in fairy meadows, or bankstown, or tumut, or grafton - whoever is next available PHONE OP.
With a real proper database allocation system centralized AND MAINTAINED that phone op could arrange a rescue like phone ops in branches do right now.
How do they work out who can rescue what like bats and snaekes and if theyre home?
IF it was a real proper maintained database that would be recorded against the rescuers name - the phone op being trained and a trained carer would know that and how to arrange it.
Dose it go to next carer if not answered? What if goes to a answer service? Or carer is on holiday?
YOU get connected to a PHONE OP first - they arrange a rescue using a proper database that has updated availabilities - if that fails the phone op can talk to the local coordinator - just like they do now. The caller doesn’t go direct to the carer. and the phone op doesn’t need to be in Sydney.
Could it do all groups or will there be difrent numbers for difrent groups?
It would be one number. There is no need for different phone ops for different branches as the current system of paid people with no experience working the phones in that shit hole of forrestville proves.
How much is set up and running costs. Probably less that the over 1 MILLION we spend now for NOTHING but SHIT SERVICE. Talk to some professionals - they could probably cut a deal. You might need a few volunteers to keep the records up to date - add updates etc. The phone exchange is s a computer program.
Guest - 39 min ago
Like the call center but all over in poeples houses. Thank you.
Magnum P.I. - 11 min ago
Sort of... except these will be trained experienced people, free od charge, and there will be a whole lot more of them available at any one time than WIRES could ever pay for. It would rely on what WIRES has a lot of, what WIRES is, VOLUNTEERS.
With a decent online database this could all be made to work. God, you could get people who can’t rescue or fostercare - too old, injured, physically disabled, remote, etc. to volunteer for this. They could become members and only volunteer for phones as a way of contributing.
You make it sound like a hap-hazard nightmare. can’t be any worse than the expensive waste of money we have now. It can work if someone competent was running it - so that means your friends on the board will have to go first.
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SaTAN WOULD
# RE: Free SpeechSaTAN WOULD 2012-03-16 20:59
lires board couldn’t run a tap.
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2012-03-18 12:05
Magnum wrote ’God, you could get people who can’t rescue or fostercare - too old, injured, physically disabled, remote, etc. to volunteer for this. They could become members and only volunteer for phones as a way of contributing. ’
This concept was suggested many times in the local branch but the Board Buddies kept knocking it back. Seems they thought members shouldn’t be able to ’pick and chose’ what they did, and that all members should be available to rescue. Funny though ...when it came to allocating roles and assigning animals the Board Buddies could ’ pick and chose’ who should be involved.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-03-18 16:51
We got a coupl disabled membres who do phones and stuff only. I think its a great idea but you need to do a good need and project planing to make sure you going to get reliable volunteers and stuff like that. then have test runs and what ifs so you didnt launch it then it fails and youre worse off.
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2012-03-18 17:02
I thought the whole point is that you can choose what roles you play and how much time you able to devote to WIRES. Different animals suit different people’s life styles, finances and housing arrangements.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-03-18 22:06
An expert in volunteer management once said this white ant and that managers should appreciate whatever a volunteer is willing to do, even helping out for a week each year . Managers need to be flexible and make sure they find out the volunteer’s skills and qualifications so the volunteer can make a contribution doing what they have skills and expertise to do. This does not happen in WIRES and an example is the Board’s refusal to accept that two lawyers were suitable to go on the governance team.
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Jane Doe
# RE: Free SpeechJane Doe 2012-03-19 00:10
The online database is the way to go all it needs is to be set up and the people that volunteer for this work from home no rent to pay why there would be no need for paid office staff to answer phones anymore would not be that hard to get a program up and running without having to pay anyone. Does anyone know how much the WIRES web site cost to start? and what they pay every year to run it? Not much I hope?
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SaTAN WOULD
# RE: Free SpeechSaTAN WOULD 2012-03-19 10:33
The online database, dashboard, was donated and is maintained for free by the designer.
The website http://www.wires.org.au was created by mp media - they donate their time to it is believed. The website content is mainly wall-to-wall promotions mostly endless “stick-up” ads which are made by a paid WIES employee. They are called “stick-up” ads because they go like this: first glace, oh look cute animal - auhhh, then give me all your money or the animal dies - this is an emotional stick-up don’t anybody move, unless you’re reachin’ for ya wallet.”
So apart from the ads begging for money 5 times a page I don’t think they spend a cent on it.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-03-19 12:12
I cant sell rafle tickets and stuff becaus I hate asking for money but that is what fundraising is and somebody got to do it. Maekes lots of poeple shudder but its what brings in the money unfortunatly.
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-19 15:03
[Sorry - just checked my figures and made an adjustment. S.]

Emotional blackmail is one thing, but...
WIRES website is obscenely bloated with donation requests. I can’t think of a website like it, except for crack-pot televangelist ministries. It is filthy unseemly.

And I know of organisations that get bombarded with WIRES begging letters and they just throw them in the bin. I’ve heard, some secretaries of these organisations even mention them during the reading of correspondence at meetings and say
Another WIRES begging letter” [membership groans]
Its really sad - WIRES has lost a lot of respect in the community because of this behaviour.

There is no need for WIRES to have to raise so much money. It spends over $1 million on staff and $73,000 on meetings. Only 7% of nearly $2 million goes to branches and members combined, most of that being for telephone services. Almost none - ~$115,000 - finds its way to animals and volunteers. That is shocking.

That is why branches have to run raffles and BBQs. There is no problem with that - I think most people would think that was fine. Carers do a good service - people don’t mind helping out. But constant badgering and ambulance chasing, to pay for things that volunteers and technology could do, is just obscene. That’s what people have a problem with Guest.

Any time someone suggests a cheaper way that might involve the membership, the management and staff (read “the General Manager”) dismiss it out of hand and get to work on a metaphorical stake and some lighter-fluid for the heretic.

WIRES Inc? Indeed it is!
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-16 12:00
[This comment has been edited... TWICE! I’m a slave to you people - maybe that is why I’m called Spartacus? Never thought of it like that! S.]

OPEN LETTER TO AN EXTORTIONIST
with the swear-words removed - some of you are so sensitive!
Way back in the first weeks of rW someone tried to shut us down with threats - they threatened to sool the CIA, Interpol, WIRES etc. on to us (I’m not making this up). They went to a lot of trouble - they even impersonated a lawyer in Sweden and got our registrar to hand over our identity. They threatened all sorts of stuff. They even quoted in an email our registered address, which we had hidden, right down to the street number.
Name: RROB / ANNOYED / ntb.int. I assumed that ntb.int meant not the best intentions.

Well RROB, you said once:

"You banned one of my IPs and you went ahead and deleted
my comment after you published it? Give me one reason why
I shouldn’t forward your details to WIRES?
You only have one go at it."

I had only one go at it...
5 months...
20,000 visitors...
I can’t keep up with the stories...
WIRES is freaked out...
I’m still going...

I only had one go at it... and it was a red hot go at that too. So report that to the CIA & WIRES! Don’t threaten me - it only makes me annoyed!

Love always,
Spartacus.
P.S. Thank you to all of you once more for your support. To my companions in this project I have only one thing to say: WE did it!
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-03-16 19:10
Yay Yay GO SPARTACUS!!! Hes been doing it to lots of poeple and shuting up by terror. For once were totally agreeing. GO SPARTACUS
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Naive
# RE: Free SpeechNaive 2012-03-17 00:09
Oh Spartacus...I want to have your babies!
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-17 06:14
Thanks so much for the offer, I have been looking for a good baby-sitter. I’ll let you know.
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Dusty
# RE: Free SpeechDusty 2012-03-17 18:10
Is this someone in WIRES? Are they spending more of the animals’ money on private investigators?
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-03-17 19:16
No way. This is a .......aaaaaa what Saprtacus said who been making life amisry for all sorts of membrs . A private arse................what Spartacus said. But bloody dangerus. Not in wires any more but still a nuisance.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-03-17 20:17
Love that outburst. Will still fight spartcuas when i dont agree but now hes my hero cos hes so big and strong. Detest and despise the misery gutted person tries to destoy evrything and every body he touches not only here.
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Curmudgeon
# RE: Free SpeechCurmudgeon 2012-03-23 15:04
SHE.
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Cumudgeon
# RE: Free SpeechCumudgeon 2012-03-18 22:11
Members all now know what they belong to. Those who do not speak up or withdraw their services is just as much a bully as the bullies who they support. They neither care for others and they support the demise of wires. So we can now add another offence to the list.
A warning to members and others a call from Wires has been detected to have others listening in on what was thought to be a private conversation.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-03-18 23:17
What? I lost the thred I think.
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Truthurts
# RE: Free SpeechTruthurts 2012-03-14 09:36
In the past our branch had certain rules regarding membership, although we may not have had the numbers we instead have had quality members which made operating our branch successful, eg, manning phones, rescues and rehabilitating etc.. The board (Previous) in their great wisdom decided that knocking back members wasn’t putting the $ into their coffers so the rule was enforced that we can no longer knock back anyone who wants to join. We may have the numbers but now have a branch full of “Ghost Members” which make the job of organizing phone shifts tedious because of unavailability for petty reasons, spending more time on the phones trying to find someone and convincing them to do rescues, spending our time in trying to nurture them and receiving an influx of resignations due to a lack of interest and so on.. We now have people wanting to join for the wrong reasons, eg, resumes, centrelink, uni students training in animal study etc. It dosn’t take long to figure out who the dedicated members are and they are the ones who have to carry the slack which is very frustrating and causes disharmony within the Branch. I know that every Branch are unique in how they operate but in my opinion a little less greed and if its not broken don’t fix it.
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Bearpaws
# RE: Free SpeechBearpaws 2012-03-16 11:41
I don’t understand why we have an ’Executive’ or ’Branch Management Committee’ when the ’Board’ keep overruling their decisions, and making decisions that sees our Branch worse off, my vote would be to send everything to the ’Board’ requesting their decision on every single matter, perhaps then they will get an idea of what it’s like to run a Branch, I am sure the power kick will not be that attractive then!!!
Surely we should be able to put in place at Branch level what is expected of a WIRES volunteer!
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2012-03-16 17:13
I understand what you mean there should be “Friends of WIRES” those that would like to make a contribution thru membership fee only rather than a volunteer member that rescues and cares for animals. It looks as thought this was done in the past. This is listed in the Constitution as an 2.3 Associate member. Does anyone know what happened to this, is it still going?
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batfink
# RE: Free Speechbatfink 2012-04-21 19:11
I couldn’t agree more. What is the use of having more than half the membership refusing to do phone shifts and/or rescues. They are no use to the branch and cause disharmony. We would all like to refuse once in a while. We all get tired or busy etc. But to say point blank "I will not do phones" or "I am not available for rescues" is rediculous. The $10 the branch gets for the membership fee is not worth having names on a member list that do not contribute. Similarly if a member causes nothing but trouble - spreading lies or rumours about other members and generally trying to bring a branch down no there is no point going to The Powers that Be because they don’t want to get involved.
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the man from TUBICRQ
# RE: Free Speechthe man from TUBICRQ 2012-03-12 13:24
Response to Crappy Chairs.
A gathering of more than one is a threat.
People might communicate with each other.
What if that one person is a bully they might upset or pick on themselves.
Real leaders don’t put up their hands for the job. They get dragged up to the job by the multitude because they want them there.
Real leaders don’t receive complaints about them.
Weak leaders sit on their complaints.
This ex member/author had an idea. Everything man achieves starts with an idea. That’s how Wires came about. Imagine if that idea was quashed. hmm! ( I guess I would have more money and time).
Maybe it was the thought of members having afternoon tea together that upset the Board . It certainly is likely “To scare the shit out of management”. or is it that they felt excluded from a social event. We can’t go around discriminating against the bored.
How can you discredit a chair the chair must have credit to begin with. much like Wires bank account .
If you join a group out of your area maybe you are not welcome locally. Maybe your are there to cause trouble? maybe you were not wanted?
The beauty of resigning is you have the opportunity to vent your spline. They never refute it. When people do not refute allegations they are either accepting it or lack fortitude to stand up for themselves this is not an asset of leaders.
What next .
Division? Is what management fix or create? Wires is much like society without a court house. they divide members into groups of one, line them up like ducks and pop them off. The only Defence and pressure to get change is for branches to go on indefinite leave. i.e. pull their cards
Since giving Wires management the Rissole I have been able to see that management and the board are not looking after members. They spend their Time and our money looking out for members who communicate. Who have potential. ideas. skills. recognition. character. personality. integrity and nip it in the bud.
The man from TUBICRQ.
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-03-10 23:56
I got it working!
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bearpaws
# RE: Free Speechbearpaws 2012-02-18 11:41
I am totally disgusted with a Board that would re-instate a food coordinator that clearly makes it difficult for the members to get food, taking 4 - 5 weeks to supply orders and making it as hard as possilbe. This clearly is not in the best interests of the wildlife in care, yet they dare to sit in judgement of other carers who are doing a wonderful job. We clearly need to get rid of them and get some dedicated, caring, objective, intelligent people to run the Board of WIRES inc.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-02-19 00:48
Do you mean the board or your branch comitee? The 2 are very diffrent and the agms are coming up in the branchs
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Bearpaws
# RE: Free SpeechBearpaws 2012-02-23 08:50
It was the Board not our Branch Management Committee or Executive
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Topaz
# RE: Free SpeechTopaz 2012-02-19 11:38
Sounds like the Board has been wielding their big stick around at another branch. Leave the branches alone, you big bullies!
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4paws
# RE: Free Speech4paws 2012-02-21 09:18
Bearpaws are you talking about the recent issues that were investigated in the Illawarra branch?
Do you know why this food co-ordinator was reinstated?
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Bearpaws
# RE: Free SpeechBearpaws 2012-02-23 10:04
Yes.
No - that is confidential
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-02-23 20:48
Sounds like a story. Use the agm
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dominos
# RE: Free Speechdominos 2012-02-27 19:07
Do you know why the food coordinator was reinstated????
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disgusted
# RE: Free Speechdisgusted 2012-02-23 16:33
[Edited - S.]
yes, we do know why she was reinstated. She is "friends" with chairman of the board and the secretary. She is allegedly their "spy" in the branch and can run to them with every little thing. Members are reluctant to order food from her I’m told, because it usually ends up in a political lecture, giving her versions of what should be done. She has personally campaigned to eliminate the newly elected Possum coordinator its alleged, because she said the job belonged to one of her friends. This member has reported on the in house facebook page set up to give everone a chance to interact and share experiences. Some of those stories and photos were downloaded and given to the Board, how sick is that.
How many Wires members across NSW have the Chairman’s private mobile phone number and can reach the Secretary anytime. Why don’t some of you Wires members out there try to ring the Chair and see how lucky you might be. Let us know if you are successful..
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Bearpaws
# RE: Free SpeechBearpaws 2012-02-24 10:21
thanks for your honesty it’s really refreshing, and congratulations for having the guts to say how it really is!!! I am sure ’they’ will now go running straight back to the Board and tell them all about it, quite pathetic, juvenile behaviour really!!! Oh and our Possum Coordinator is doing a fantastic job!!
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Topaz
# RE: Free SpeechTopaz 2012-02-24 13:23
Wow disgusted-you go for it! Well done for spilling the beans.Isn’t this typical though ?
I’m putting two and two together to try and make four.If the board investigated the Illawara branch one must assume that either or both the chair and secretary attended.A good friend of theirs was one of those investigated.Instead of making four,doesn’t that make one humungous,stinking conflict of interest?
Does anyone know someone at ICAC?I’m sure they be interestd.
Re the possum coordinator.Is that not bullying and harrasment,which was hastily added to most of the policies awhile ago?I thought it was frowned up. Oh I forgot,not if your a friend.Do what I say not what I do.Coordinators are elected.If the friend was not elected then they have to swallow cement.
Running to the board with photos and stories from facebook. Far out what is the world coming to.
Keep it up ReformWIRES!
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bearpaws
# RE: Free Speechbearpaws 2012-02-24 21:45
I wondered why the Board would re-instate someone who took 4 weeks to order food, when another member ordered the same food from the same company and it was delivered in 3 1/2 working days!!
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disgusted
# RE: Free Speechdisgusted 2012-02-24 17:14
Topaz, you seem to have a good sense of how things work in Wires. Yes, you are right the Chairperson and Secretary both attended the “big” meeting and yes it is has been repeatedly told to members of the branch over a very long time, that BT and MV are close personal friends of a few select members. This has been used many times to intimidate members due to the fact if you disagre, then you name goes up to Head Office, and heaven only know what they get told. In the interest of a level playing field there should be at least one or possiblly two independant persons (not from the Board) on the panel to make an unbiased decision. Wires Inc would be better served if they looked after their carers and the animals, and spent less time on “witch hunts”. Wires Head Office should step back and ask themselves, what is the motive behind some of these totally nasty people and what do they hope to gain from it in the end.
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Naive
# RE: Free SpeechNaive 2012-03-11 16:37
At the meeting Mr Chair said they could not mkae a decision that day because there was no quorem.Doesnt that mean that the whole meeeting shouldve been postponed?How could they not make a decision on the day but then go and advise the rest of the board what the decision should be?Also the member who was banned four a coupel of years is STILL taking animals directly from a local vet.What will the board do now?stick their heads back in the sand and pretend it isn’t happening,make the branch deal with it and then have another hissy fit at the BMC and executieve?
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MacGuyver
# RE: Free SpeechMacGuyver 2012-03-11 20:56
Hi Naive, If a quorum is not present within 30 minutes of the start of the meeting, it is cancelled. In saying this I have been in meetings where no quorum was present and discussions were held but no motions or voting took place. Everything will have to be re-presented at the next meeting.
Unfortunately this Board in my opinion is incapable of making a decision without putting aside their own. So you see will never win with these people as when they seem to not be able to win they change the rules.
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Bernie
# RE: Free SpeechBernie 2012-03-21 22:12
The BMC of the Mid North Coast branch does not worry whether there is a quorum or not - the meeting still goes ahead!
At the May 2010 BMC meeting, a quorum was not present, so a motion was passed “As there is not a quorum of attendees the meeting will proceed, with decisions and motions made at this meeting to be ratified at the next meeting. Moved Vanessa Martin. 2nd Llyris Wood.”
The minutes were taken by a VISITOR (Judi Wood), although she was not a member at the time. By comparison, MEMBERS are not allowed to attend BMC meetings in this branch, even as observers, unless invited.
At the next meeting (June 2010), it was “Moved that the Minutes and all decisions from last meeting be ratified and accepted as there was no quorum - by Vanessa Martin Seconded: Megan Karl”.
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The White Hat
# RE: Free SpeechThe White Hat 2012-02-12 16:24
What this site is about.
Decent and dissenting members standing up for the rights of an animal to live and reach its destiny.
None of my correspondence with WIRES has ever resulted in the Management mentioning the consideration of any wild life.
Management has always been Defensive of criticism with no inflection or consideration, never seeking debate consultation or other.
Always insolent and rejecting of members and their vast knowledge of everything.
Within the management’s personal need to feed their inadequacies, they ignore the international library of experience around them. Good management is good people with experience, understanding and the ability to extend trust for loyalty or an acknowledgement of sincerity.
The writing is on the wall the management have their back to it. They know it is there they can see yet they wil not.
The Board of wires have gone beyond their destiny.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-02-14 11:57
Hear hear the White Hat. Now the questions that need answers are how is that to be achieved and what will take its place.
This could be done by the members standing up to management and demanding it, which is very unlikely as most are fearful of the consequences if they do.
The government is not prepared to do anything as it needs Wires to appear to be properly caring for its wildlife. The government doesn’t want to take over this job as there is nothing in it for the politicians and it would cost the budget dearly. It looks to me as though the government is willing to ignore the animal welfare issues that have been raised over a long time and the unfair treatment of members, for the sake of being able to say it has Wires to look after its responsiblilty and it can’t be blamed for any problems.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-02-14 11:58

Continuing:
So it is left to the donors who give their hard earned money to tell management that they require major changes and reform. They should be demanding to look at the books and ask for an explanation as to how the money is spent, require their donations and bequests to be used to support the members instead of management, demand that animal welfare issues are properly referred to RSPCA and the Department for investigation and demand that a proper governance structure is brought in to give all members an equal say in the election of management and the right to stand for election.
It is easy reformwires to contact the donors. The list is in the annual report and addresses can be obtained from the electoral office.A good publicist could also help to present a fair and accurate cover of all these problems in the press which would notify the donors of the situation and ask for their help.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-01-27 20:37
I recently received a call from the Wires call centre on a public
holiday. The staff member profusely apologised as I am down for "No rescues" and only caring for a particular type of species. They acknowledged that, and asked whether I could do a rescue anyway of two birds, as there was no other person to do it and they had tried several people in my branch with no success. After questioning them further, asking for a description of these birds, I realised that they were most certainly non native. I wondered how I can figure this out, by questioning these call centre staff, with just 3 questions, when they can’t establish this themselves, so that they can refer the MOP to the RSPCA or a vet instead of wasting a volunteers time. Getting me at a weak moment, I agreed to go pick them up after telling the staff member that they were probably non native and that the caller should have been referred elsewhere. As expected, I picked up 2 non native birds, exactly what I thought they were, and now I have the dilemma of what to do with them. This is a waste of my time and so frustrating.
I was not long back home and I received another call from the WIRES call centre but a different person this time. They apologised for bothering me again, but asked whether I could I do another rescue. Slightly irritated, I reminded them I am down for "no rescues". They apologised, but they were so desperate and said they have tried everyone. Being an animal lover, I felt sorry for these animals so asked what did they have and where.
I could take a choice of 3, one in the next suburb, the other two I
figured were at at least 30 mins drive away. I made some suggestions of people they could phone and they said they had tried these people. After questioning the call centre staff member, a different one to the previous one, I realised that the rescue closest to me was another non native bird. I told them to tell the MOP to take it to the vet or to the RSPCA as it was a non native. She asked me whether I could call this MOP and explain this myself. I said "no"to this but agreed if they tell the MOP that they can deliver the bird to my place, and if it was a non native I will be writing a formal complaint to Wires, including the name of the call centre employee regarding this issue. The call centre employee told me not to worry about the rescue then and she would try to get someone else or to get the MOP to take to a vet for identification. Isn’t this also wasting another volunteers time if the volunteer agrees to do this?
I rang another member in exasperation and they also said they had received a call from the call centre, just prior to my call and the member also told them that it was a non native and to take to RSPCA or vet. The call centre staff was also told by the MOP that the bird was a non native. So even the MOP knew it was a non native bird.
They wonder why they are so busy when they are organising the rescues of obvious non natives. I explained to the call centre employee, that if I get a non native bird, that I would have to take it to the vet to get it euthanazed or take it to the to the RSPCA and that is not why I joined Wires. It seems that the call centre staff have no knowledge of how to ID an animal, or how to advise a MOP interim care procedures until a rescuer can come to pick them up. I realise, that sometimes, it can be difficult to ID, but when it is really obvious there is no excuse. I am sure they can employ staff who have this knowledge of native animals. They used to previously. The call centre staff used to be well informed. Are the current call centre employees pressured to get volunteers to pick up everything that a MOP asks to pick up for a public relations exercise? I don’t know. Where are all the great call
centre people we used to have? Have they been driven away?? Now they employ people who know nothing about our native animals and try to get volunteers to deal with these difficult situations. I did not join Wires for for this. I realise that there are many political issues, but this simple thing is frustrating, and I believe is one of the reason why members are leaving in droves.
PS. The reason why I am down for "No rescues" is the exact reason what I am complaining about here.
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one who got away
# RE: Free Speechone who got away 2012-01-28 02:49
This is typical and it aint going to get any better. You need to bite the bullet and leave. I did and it was the best thing I ever did. Everyone I know who has says the same thing too. Your stress levels drop by 100% and you find other more positive ways to help animals. I worried about the animals but figured out I was part of the problem because I was propping up the bad standards. everyone needs to resign because staying is only helping them at the top stay in charge. They use your love of animals to keep you propping them up they know you care and wont go and that means they stay. Maybe a few hundred animals die or suffer for a while but then if there is no members then action will have to take place, by not causing crisis we make it go on longer and if you stay then thousand and thousands suffer and die for years more. Leaving will bring change and maybe stop the suffering of animals in the future and the treatment of carers will get better. Sometimes there needs to be crisis before change comes. the board is not going to let go or change. Resign and send it to wires board and the minister and premier who have emails on the net. send to ron haering at environment department too. Nothign changes while you help them keep this ridiculous stuff going. by being a member you are saying you support it.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-01-28 15:33
There would have to be a mass walkout for this idea to work and for the Minister and Premier to be forced to act to ensure wildlife is protected as the government is responsible. What unfortunately would more likely happen on such a call to arms is that those you left would be those the board wanted to see go or were trying to expel so it would just play into their hands.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-01-28 21:41
I agree with the one that got away - leave. I did and as they said best thing I ever did. You ARE supporting this failed system by being a member. As everyone says, the ones the board want to see gone are the ones doing the right thing - leave and they have no one to do the work and their hand is forced. Don’t be captive to them - call their bluff.
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2012-02-05 23:05
I too left - and will no doubt be considered as ’one of the troublemakers WIRES can do without’. I could not in good conscience stay in an organisation that I believe had poor ethics, and in the branch I was in also had poor animal care standards. I felt that if I stayed it would indicate I not only condoned, but supported behaviour that was an anathema to me.
And to Guest: I am not surprised you have been asked to collect non-native animals. I know some WIRES members who not only rescue them, but raise them and release them - even when those animals are known to wreck havoc on our native species.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-02-06 18:16
It’s shameful and I think illegal to release but we rescue ferals just because you ca’t be sure it is a feral till you see it for yourself specaly chicks and were a animal welfare group and even ferals shouldnt suffer. Its pretty hard to tell the diffrence between a spotted dove and a bar shoulderd or the miner and myna unless youve been shown.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-02-10 13:04
I need to add its euthanasd as soon as we’re sure its feral.
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-02-13 09:08
Not always! WIRES would know that, if it ever followed up on any of the animals it rescues.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-02-08 03:06
I too know the chair of a branch who rescues, cares for and releases ferals and also advises the public on how to care for ferals. Hes a protected species of course so theres no way to stop this behaviour.
These members should belong and work for animal welfare not wires. Their philosophy is that of animal welfare groups, not wires which focuses on wildlife only and therefore cannot support the fostering and supporting of ferals knowing that it would be at the expense of natives.
All ’rescued’ ferals should be euthanased immediately - never released.
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Batfink
# RE: Free SpeechBatfink 2012-01-23 21:25
W.I.R.E.S.
Let’s come up with some new meanings for the acronym.
I’ll begin:
When Is Reason Ever Supported
There are so many people in here with the same complaints and issues that we are experiencing in our Branch. Just makes you wonder, what are we all doing???????
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Spartacus
# RE: Free SpeechSpartacus 2012-07-01 21:21
Why
I
Ran
Embarrassed and
Screaming
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Lazarus the second
# RE: Free SpeechLazarus the second 2012-01-21 12:36
There was no shortage of raptor carers in our branch just a shortage of patience waiting years for approval of equipment approval that never came. The training is done the money available the members exemplary and certified . A waste of every body’s time enthusiasm money and wires resources. now there is a shortage of all types of carers and rescuers and money and ambulances and enthusiasm and answers and rescues and care. which is now being subsidised by other than wires. we call it dumping. the responsibilty falls directly on the back of the Wires Board. I feel that there are questions to be answered in the field of discrimination and management.
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Truthurts
# RE: Free SpeechTruthurts 2012-01-18 22:08
When someone asks me what is WIRES all about my answer is - Bickering, arguing, fighting, ego boosting, back stabbing, crucifying, manipulating, threatening, sacking, chastising, and oh,,, whats the other thing we are supposed to do??? Oh yes,, helping our native wildlife.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-01-01 07:18
The reform of Wires is simple.
Support this site with facts and fortitude
Mass resignation.
Personal resignation. You are no longer implicit or sanction the alleged lack of integrity of Wires management or neglect of duty of care.
I resigned and took my loyalty, my time, money, and my helpers to another place.
My resignation was well considered by myself but was unanimously opposed by my branch. I was advised indirectly by a Wires consultant and directly by experienced members. I received an apology from DECC management for its mismanagement of my FOI enquiry. It seems that DECC requires more than its resources can afford to provide me with the information on issues concerning WIRES.
My personal opinion, in the interest of the ideals of Wild life care, is that the membership is intimidated by the Board and the Board does not have the fortitude to face up to the most simple of enquiries. Such as, may I have a copy of the managers complaint and and an answer to my letter to the chairman. Or may I have a copy of the constitution before I donate.? or attend a training course.
a guest
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2012-01-14 19:47
The reform of WIRES is simple. Resign. When there are no more members the WIRES organisation is finished. The wildlife folk with high standards and ethics can join other organisations.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-01-16 22:20
Unfortunately, thanks to DECCW, folk can’t join other organisations - thats the point - these people have been given absolute power over everyone and everything. You can join other organisations but they won’t be wildlife caring organisations, it would have to be Rotary or Red Cross. So if you want to care for wildlife, you either remain in a system that is dysfunctional where you are being made to feel very uncomfortable, even to the point of making you ill, and where you see wildife being abused and neglected or you leave and don’t care for wildlife. What kind of system is that? It’s the system in NSW that is not working either for animals or people. It only works for Government because it allows them to wash their hands of all responsibility and spend nothing in the process - perfect.
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Dianna
# RE: Free SpeechDianna 2011-12-25 09:25
What Branches need is a group of committed people to stand for the BMC. One dedicated member can’t do much when they are outvoted by the BMC - we need change which means a few like minded souls on the BMC to at least turn the vote around. Leadership must come from the top - correct governance of the whole organisation is essential. As soon as transparency and honesty commences it will filter very quickly down to the Branches. Nearly all WIRES branches are poorly run and unhappy. What a disgrace.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2011-12-28 00:18
If you try that you will find that the status quo will pull out their army of inactive members who appear at AGMs when a coup is immenent and are usually there at all AGMs just to make sure it goes the right way. Even if you have a large % of the vote you still won’t make it because the army of inactivity is very large. Yes it is a disgrace and it means animals aren’t being rescued and are dying slow and most often unnecessay deaths. The organisation has completely lost it’s way and become nothing more than a self serving political entity serving it’s ’elders’ and selected friends and family members, the inner circle of mates and hangers on.
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mary
# RE: Free Speechmary 2011-12-24 08:13
I don’t think anything has changed,the little puppets are still on the board,and the other [EDIT] are still pulling the strings,they seem to like people that haven’t got a lot of brains so they can manipulise,there is a few people that should have lost their licence,but no one has stepped forward to do it,passing the buck to different people,we can only hope karma will take it’s course eventually.But in saying that where was everybody when these vacancies occurred on the B.M.C.the only reason the chairperson has got it now,is because no one else would stand up for it,therefore NO CHANGE, simple.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2011-12-25 18:49
Your BMC may be like the board and has been controlled for a long time by the same group of people. It is not possible to get enough votes to be elected if you are not in with them, and when you lose the vote you risk retaliation for daring to stand against them. So most members would realise that the situation was hopeless and not bother to stand.
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2011-11-24 14:53
The very poor retention rate of members reflects the need for reform. Some years in my area almost 80 -85% loss of new members was not unusual.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2011-11-24 19:43
It’s such a waste of time and effort training new members and then to find that they are not supported and encouraged by management and leave.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2011-11-25 06:49
management is us . A few comitee members who usualy do headps and work as well cant do it all. New people get the biest suport if they are buddied.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2011-11-23 13:26
Dear Animal lover.
Hello! You seem to have missed the point Animal Lover. This is not about members abilities. This is about Governance. Common decency and management. You may not know it but others are attending to the inefficiencies of WIRES without complaint or support from Wires. They care for the animals first and retain their members. They have dispute resolution systems. And add value to their contributions. everything is open. That is all that is asked of WIRES management.
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Animal Lover
# RE: Free SpeechAnimal Lover 2011-11-19 09:38
All I can say to all you UNHAPPY WIRES members is - QUIT - go somewhere else and whinge about things and take your bad habbits with you - there is not a single person here who has not done something wrong with the care of an animal at some time, but you ignore that in order to crap all over others.
Simple remedy - join a different organisation and they can then put up with your whinging!
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battered
# RE: Free Speechbattered 2011-11-19 20:17
THAT, ’Animal Lover’, would be an ideal option. If there wasn’t a monopoly on a geographical area, where only ONE group is allowed, then wildlife carers unhappy with the management practises, or poor standards of care & non-adherence to policies in WIRES, could quit & join the alternative group!
That would solve the problems, as hoardes of experienced carers could gain authorities under a different, more progressive group, & leave the archaic festering WIRES system. Those power mongers remaining would have to address WIRES current failures to both the wildlife & the carers to enable the organisation to continue.
So, despite your intended nastiness, & crudeness in the delivery, you actually have suggested an ideal solution.
:)
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Mutt
# RE: Free SpeechMutt 2011-11-21 14:53
Although that’s the rule in Sydney there is a second group called Sydney Metropolitain Wildlife Service. It seems they have fought WIRES in the court or something in order to get their license. So it seems this restriction only applies to those who do not fight for their rights. But from what I hear about Sydney Metro I’d rather be bullied every single day by my bmc. You brought up interesting point though. Is it really in the best interest of the animals to restrict licensing? Why does WIRES keep licenses for areas where they have no or close to no members and are unable to assist with most rescues?
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anon
# RE: Free Speechanon 2011-11-22 07:24
WIRES and SMWS did NOT go to Court over the rehabilitation licence, that has nothing to do with WIRES, it was regarding another issue. WIRES won the case and was in the right in this situation. This was a quite a while ago and the licencing regulations have only changed since June 2010.
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Mr Doppy.
# RE: Free SpeechMr Doppy. 2012-01-21 11:00
So! How come Wires Board don’t have a disputes committee?.
Because.
The Board are always right and the members and the donors are stupid?.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-01-23 02:20
Yes we are all morons.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2011-11-20 00:48
Have you seen the map from NPWS showing the territory each rehab group has? Wires is in every area and under the new code of practice you are not allowed to start a new group in an area where one already exists - so wires or nothing for most people. If you are individually licensed you can keep your licence for now, but if you move then you lose it and have to join a group. What group would you be forced to join in that circumstance I wonder? That is the big problem wires has your licence in their hands. They have all the power and NSW gov lets them. I’d tell anyone who could join another group to do just that. In fact from what I have seen whenever someone can do that that is exactly what they do and on mass.
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2012-02-06 13:00
Hi Magnum, it is not just under the new code of practice that you are not allowed to start a new group. This was happening in ’WIRES areas’ long before the new code was introduced - and WIRES was ’consulted’ when an application for a new group was submited.
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2012-02-08 03:09
They still are ’consulted’ mostly on everything.
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Blogbandit
# RE: Free SpeechBlogbandit 2012-01-04 00:23
Animal lover, I take total offense to your implication that “there is not a single person here who has not done something wrong with the care of an animal at some time”
I can assure you that no animal has ever suffered in my care and for you to suggest every one on this site had committed an indiscretion with animals in their care is bang out of order.
Just because some of us are not happy with the way the organization is run does not give the likes of you the right to take a filthy low blow pot shot at the majority who are genuine carers and it equates to defamation so go and pull your damn head in!
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Curmudgeon
# RE: Free SpeechCurmudgeon 2012-03-19 14:15
To late . We did.
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DOH!
# RE: Free SpeechDOH! 2012-04-25 03:16
Dear Animal lover.
Is that all you can say?
Are you representative of Wires?. If so I suggest that you are representative of the problem/attitude. Have a nice day.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2011-11-18 08:35
Reading the comment about complaints from some in the indigenous community about using the term ’elder’ here. The term ’elder’ is used in many communities & cultures around the world. It is not an aboriginal word. So it seems strange that such a complaint would have been made.
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Mutt
# RE: Free SpeechMutt 2011-11-18 17:16
Nitpicking is what some might call it.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2011-11-18 20:03
I’m glad you said some others who are indiginous think it’s just sh*t stirring
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anon
# RE: Free Speechanon 2012-03-16 17:19
In Australia most people would equate an “elder” to an Aboriginal person.
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batfink
# RE: Free Speechbatfink 2012-04-21 19:19
Well, I am an Aussie born and bred and my interpretation of "Elder" is a person who is older than myself. I don't understand how any one culture or group can claim ownership of any word term or phrase. How rediculous.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-04-22 03:32
Whether it is offensive to indigenous people or not, it is still really off that the board run about calling themselves elders and in official correspondence.
What level of professionalism is that? Does the lift really go that far down? It sets up this idea that they are separate from everyone else and shows they treat everyone else with contempt. The management of wires is theirs to do with as they please, as has been shown by the fact that when they were voted out they just changed the rules to put themselves back in power. Giving themselves a gang-name is just the outward sign of the arrogance within.
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Anonymous
# RE: Free SpeechAnonymous 2012-04-22 03:36
And I can understand why an aboriginal person would find it offensive too. You’re not aboriginal and you don’t find it offensive, well good for you.
I’m trying to think of another culture in Australia that has a proper noun for its older people as specific as "elder" is to Australia’s indigenous people and I can’t think of one. I think you’re showing a slight racism batfink.
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Truthurts
# RE: Free SpeechTruthurts 2012-04-24 06:56
eld·er 1 (ldr)

adj.

1. Greater than another in age or seniority.

2. Superior to another or others, as in rank.

n.

1. An older person.

2. An older, influential member of a family, tribe, or community.

3. One of the governing officers of a church, often having pastoral or teaching functions.

4. Mormon Church A member of the higher order of priesthood.

[Middle English eldre, from Old English eldra; see al-2 in Indo-European roots.]

elder·ship n.

Usage Note: The adjective elder is not a synonym for elderly. In comparisons between two persons, elder means "older" but not necessarily "old": My elder sister is sixteen; my younger twelve. (Eldest is used when three or more persons are compared: He is the eldest of four brothers.) In other contexts elder does denote relatively advanced age but with the added component of respect for a person’s achievement as in an elder statesman. If age alone is to be expressed one should use older or elderly rather than elder: A survey of older Americans; an elderly waiter. Unlike elder and its related forms the adjectives old older and oldest are applied to things as well as to persons.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-04-25 19:02
Look at an Australian English Dictionary like Macquarie:

elder1
(say ’elduh)
- adjective
1. older: `And Ned shall come, too’ she added, with a consoling glance at her elder brother’ - HENRY HANDEL RICHARDSON, 1917.
2. senior: an elder officer.
3. earlier: in elder times.
- noun
4. a person who is older than oneself; one’s senior: ’meeting with a man sufficiently her elder to encourage her to talk’ - MARCUS CLARKE, 1874.
5. an aged person.
6.

a. (sometimes upper case) a senior person of status in an Aboriginal community, especially one who holds knowledge of traditional language and culture: my nana’s an elder.
b. an older person of high standing and influence in a community, clan, tribe, etc., often a chief or ruler.
7. presbyter (defs 1 and 3).
8. (in the Mormon Church) one holding the higher or Melchizedek priesthood.
[Middle English; Old English eldra, etc. (comparative of ald, eald OLD)]

The point is, and has been made many times, that this word has a very specific meaning culturally in Australia. Quoting an AMERICAN English dictionary does you no favours.
The use of this word by the board of WIRES has racist overtones simple as that (it is at least insensitive). Your defence of it, and your unwillingness to appreciate it’s hurtful value, is an example of the "insidious racism" that exists in Australia. The truth hurts!
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-04-25 19:09
Do note, that points 4-8 are the nouns for the word elder:

6. a. Aboriginal Elder - "(sometimes upper case)" denoting a PROPER NOUN - a formal name. It is the first listed proper noun.
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Truthurts
# RE: Free SpeechTruthurts 2012-04-25 19:31
Well done Magnum p.I, we are not discriminating against any race or creed we are purely stating the facts. So behold, It is written, he who tries to alter facts may indeed be a few roos short in the top paddock.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2012-04-24 19:39
Whatever that means!
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batfink
# RE: Free Speechbatfink 2012-06-15 08:47
Sorry Anonymous but I find it offensive that you call me racist. There is only one race and that's the Human Race. Nobody is any better or worse than anyone else just because of their heritage. If only we could all just live with each other. So much evil is done in this world because of religion and race. We should all just respect and care for each other.
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CONFUSION
# RE: Free SpeechCONFUSION 2012-03-16 14:26
ELDERBERRIES MAKE NICE WINE.
TASTES LIKE ELDERBERRIES.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2011-11-16 20:28
How is it a debate when only the eople who agree write on it and the ones who don’t have a look and don’t bother to come back? Isn’t that just people reinforsing without questioning the same as happens in all groups?
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white ant
# RE: Free Speechwhite ant 2011-11-17 09:55
Hi Guest,
That is their choice not to comment or join in the debate.

People are questioning what is going on not only in WIRES but other wildlife groups and government. Wildlife volunteers are very special people not only do they fork out $1000s each year of their own money, the time they give to care for the animals is 24 hour 7 days a week. When members leave it impacts the animals, the volunteers who are left and weakens the organisations abilitity to fulfill its aims.

The current situation in WIRES has gone on for far to long. When something is wrong we change it, we don’t say this is what happens everywhere so this is ok. WIRES just happens to be the largest wildlife rehabiltation organisation and should be setting an example to others.
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Wallaby
# RE: Free SpeechWallaby 2011-10-31 13:27
We have a group here in QLD who are allowing members of the public to care for wildlife, abuse members, hide money and rig membership to ensure the continuation of the current membership committee. I have witnessed bullying, screaming matches, slander, complete monopoly of wildlife, recommendations squashed if the member is not liked, minutes altered etc etc......I hope QLD carers are NEVER run by one authority such as WIRES.
I have now vowed to never be involved with another group - ever.
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2011-11-23 13:16
Hey Wallaby that sounds like the WIRES group from my area!
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Snoopycruiser
# RE: Free SpeechSnoopycruiser 2011-10-30 15:33
I can understand why Stan Woods doesn’t like this website. During his term it seems as though he was part of the problem, not part of the solution. As a true bureacrat, if a problem arose, instead of addressing it under existing rules they create new ones to “sweep it under the carpet”
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guest
# RE: Free Speechguest 2011-11-29 06:59
Or just ignore it until those that have genuine complaints have had enought and leave.
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The White Hat
# RE: Free SpeechThe White Hat 2012-03-16 14:23
STAN WHO?
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Wattlebird
# RE: Free SpeechWattlebird 2011-10-20 19:43
Hi Steve - you’ve hit the nail right on the head. Make it happen by force of numbers. The Council need to unite - they need to have a common goal for the ongoing of WIRES to run happily and successfully, not only for the sake of the volunteers but for our native animals. Might I humbly suggest they band together and, at the next Council Meeting, move a Vote of No Confidence in the entire Board, have them removed and re-elect a new Board to take effect immediately. Invite all the ex-members back who have been gotten rid of and this will alleviate the immediate need for more experienced carers and will also provide the very best care for the animals. Appoint a Volunteer Supervisor in every Branch to liaise with their members and ensure everything is running smoothly.
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John Paul
# RE: Free SpeechJohn Paul 2011-10-21 12:22
Bloody good idea
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watsgoinon
# RE: Free Speechwatsgoinon 2011-10-20 17:27
I liked the comment on general page after the article is of concern to ALL members) C Says conflict usually comes from disgruntled members- who always win (?!) no matter what the outcome, ’cause they achieve the attention they crave!
hope this forum just doesn’t become another avenue for ’more of the same’, but educates & actually achieves something worthwhile at the same time!!!
ps ( how many have read this article ? will someone give their name and verify if it is true & correct, PLEASE.
If there is nothing to hide it shouldn’t be a problem
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smurfette
# RE: Free Speechsmurfette 2011-10-23 19:01
Except that you WILL get kicked out of WIRES because your name showing your opinion has been put forward.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2011-10-23 19:57
"Bringing WIRES into disrepute" - The only way to avoid that is to say nothing about what really goes on in WIRES! My granny used to tell me "If you’ve got nothing nice to say then say nothing at all". Maybe she should run WIRES?
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smurfette
# RE: Free Speechsmurfette 2011-10-31 13:32
And in the meanwhile “The animals suffer”
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Steve A
# RE: Free SpeechSteve A 2011-10-20 11:59
I am not, nor have ever been a member of WIRES. I write only to remind you that everything that goes up onto a blog like this is here “forever” and can be read by everyone, as it should be.
Comments posted here reflect not only on WIRES, but on the perception of wildlife carers by anyone who reads the blog.
If you have a genuine issue, pursue it vigorously. But please do so in a manner that is considered and ethical. Contribute positive ideas, and suggest new ways forward, rather than rehashing previous incidents.
Let democracy prevail: If there is a genuine need for reform, make it happen by force of numbers. If there are not the numbers, then accept that your view may not be that of the majority.
This will be my only contribution to this debate. I thank you all for your ongoing dedication to wildlife. Keep up the good work.
Kind Regards,
Steve A
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2011-11-05 18:30
Nice idea Steve. However WIRES members have tried to pursue issues with management in a manner that is ’considered and ethical’.
Unfortunately consideration and ethics are not evident on both sides.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2012-01-31 20:01
If you are still following reformwires Steve you will understand why members have not been able to let democracy prevail and make change happen. Nothing to do with numbers and all to do with tactics used by management to stay in power and keep members with different views out of any management position.
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vampiro
# RE: Free Speechvampiro 2012-02-03 17:01
Steve unfortunately, it is only by “rehashing” or a better word may be ’acknowledging’ the past and its events can we move on in a more productive fashion. In some contexts it is illegal not to acknowledge past wrongs.
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Yagot abeedreamen
# RE: Free SpeechYagot abeedreamen 2012-04-25 02:38
You said it STEVO? I suspect that you are not genuine.HOWEVER!

You do not know what you are talking about. You do not know what it is like to be involved in WIRES. The frustration and dissapointment of being lead by primary school bullies who have no appreciation for civilised communication and no knowledge of leadership. Only pigheaded selfishness and lack of respect for their post of responsibilities.
The Board could have stopped this site by being Humane Open Democratic and having a dispute tribunal. By proper management and appreciation of the hard earned money donated for animal care by those who cannot physically donate or appreciate life and diversity. By the Board savoring and preserving the talents and experience of members. The Board could have stopped all of this and diverted all of this effort into Wires care. The Board could have learned to respect their best assets. Members.
The Board do not listen to suggestions. They do not recognise there failures. If you are not up their cloaca you do not exist and you are expendable. If you have followed this site you would know that Democracy and Governance is replaced by contempt for members and donors. With respect Stevo. I think you do supply protest too much. There is nothing wrong with the ideals of Wires it is just that it is not acknowledged by those who think that they know how to run a Business a hospital and a Convent a soup kitchen and motel for wounded and sick without interpreters a heart and soul blood sweat and tears. This Board brings all of the negative damnation upon itself. Every body other than the Board are outraged. Unfortunetly this is not a democratic organisation and most members are too decent and loving to speak up because of the animals need for their care.
Frankly The Board should hang their heads in shame. When they awake in the night I just want them to think about how unimportant they are in the scheme of life and what damage they are doing to such a fine humane Australian Ideal. I hope that they realise That they are despised by a greater majority of members more than they might think. This organisation should be pulsing with vibrance good will happiness and content. It should be reflecting in every aspect of the movement and creating a need to be involved. Instead of a greed. a few on this site are speaking from the heart and most are speaking from a point of responsibility expierience and wisdom. My message to the Board is sleep tight if you can.
SET THE BODY CLOCK
For 1.22. 1.22 1.22. and 2.22 and 3.22.
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Spartacus
# You sound familiarSpartacus 2012-07-01 21:31
Steve, Since writing this it has come to my attention that you are really great friends with Stan Wood. You even wrote a paper together on euthanizing animals which you delivered at a wildlife conference.

Maybe that's why your post is nothing short of a rehash of his comments.
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Wattlebird
# RE: Free SpeechWattlebird 2011-10-20 08:10
[This post is in reply to a comment that was later removed. S.]

- yes, let the WIRES Board release the minutes of their Board meetings so that transparency and honesty can be discussed openly. There is far too much secrecy in now, thanks to the instigators of this web site, the truth can finally be revealed. The Council has no power whatever - the Board - the all important nine members - make the decisions for the whole of New South Wales. It should be the other way around - come on members of the Council - STAND UP AND MAKE YOUR PRESENCE FELT. Most members don’t have enough time to become fully involved because they are busy caring for our previous wildlife and the NINE controlling members know this. I urge everyone to enable their grievances to be heard through this web site and I praise the instigators for allowing us the opportunity to now TELL THE TRUTH.
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Danny
# RE: Free SpeechDanny 2011-10-19 20:03
Honestly guys,
A forum for all the Gutless and bitchy whingers whos egos have been dented in some way. And I thought you guys were in it for the animals.
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apache
# RE: Free Speechapache 2011-10-20 00:08
This is exactly what the problem is so many carers telling their story about being so hurt by involvement with WIRES that they left and some never work with animals again and when they say how they feel they get told they are just gutless wingers. Are you on the board Danny? maybe you should run. How can it be all for the animals when the people who are caring for them can’t stay because theyre treated so bad.
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Lowly Helper
# RE: Free SpeechLowly Helper 2011-10-20 12:42
Here’s the problem, Danny.
There are many of us who joined WIRES to help animals. Before anything else, before our responsibilities to committees, to politics, to looking after easily bruised leaders, we want to give the animals that humanity hurt a second chance... or a third, or however many they need. They come first.
I will not reveal any more information than I have to because it’ll identify me and start the bullying again, but I was one of six people in my branch who specialised in looking after a particular group of animals (macropods, raptors, birds, pick any group and it’ll be the same story). This included four people ’above’ me in the WIRES hierarchy, NONE OF WHOM ACTUALLY TOOK ANIMALS IN.
In my entire region, I took more than 90% of this family of animals. My local vet knew my number off by heart, I took in every animal I was asked to, and I loved looking after them.
Sometimes when life required, I had to pause my care, like we all do. You’d think as a community with five other people marked to look after this group of animals, someone could have helped.
Instead of having four of the leaders above me, or my one peer in the region help me, I was criticised for leaving a place open for animals to die. I was abused over the phone bluntly by two leaders, and anonymously via phone and email from others. I had NO support, and even worse, the animals I was unable to care for because of family concerns had no support and many were put down at the vet because none of the other carers who were meant to be looking after these animals would take them.
I don’t just mean from time to time, I mean almost all. In the last four months of my WIRES membership I cared for twenty two animals. Only *TWO* of these kind of animal went to anybody else, and that was my fellow peer.
Four leaders who don’t take care of any animals but are marked as carers, vs one person taking most of the workload. That’s not fair to begin with, but to end up abused when I needed time off, and abused even more when I spoke out about this mismanagement and mistreatment is just ridiculous.
I had a breakdown and spent time hospitalised because of the abuse I suffered in both open and anonymous phone calls. I can’t do that any more. Even writing this has me in tears, for myself, for the animals I now cannot help, and for those who’re left behind still trying to look after animals but being treated like turds by people with the responsibility to actually manage.
WIRES is a wildlife rescue organisation in name only. In a practical sense it’s packed with leaders all jockeying for more and more senior positions, many of them are disregarding the animals. What’s the point of so many members in a leadership position who never care for animals?
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noddy
# RE: Free Speechnoddy 2012-01-20 14:05
Hi. Danny Guy!!!
You thought right Danny. We were in it for the animals. We still are. Lawfully altruistically and economically.
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Stan Wood
# RE: Free SpeechStan Wood 2011-10-19 17:21
[We have checked: this really is Stan Wood. S.]
There is very little more contemptible and pathetic than those who pour poison in the ears of others from the refuge of anonymity. WIRES Board is democratically ELECTED every year. Every WIRES member has the opportunity to participate in the process. Not everyong will be happy - I didn’t like eleven years of John Howard as PM - but his election was democratic. So is WIRES Board. If you don’t like the Board vote it out, starting in your own branch AGMs. Cowardly and anonymous whining is purely destructive. No thanks; I dont want a subscription.
Stan Wood.
Former chair of WIRES Board.
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Herb
# RE: Free SpeechHerb 2011-10-19 20:53
I thought that democracy was based on majority rule.
How can you suggest that the Board was/is democratically elected when Standards Teams (consisting of a handful of members) are granted the same representation as a Branch of 100-200 members?
Joh Blelke-Peterson had a similar view of democracy, although not quite so blatant.
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an eagle
# RE: Free Speechan eagle 2011-10-20 08:48
Well Stan, it was while you were both Chair and General Manager ( which was not good for WIRES, as there was no independent person to act as a check and balance to the Board) that the new Constitution removing the restriction on the Chair to only a 3 year term (17 vii) came in, allowing you to continue in this role indefinitely.
Also you were the Chair when the Council was asked to give standard team representatives the right to stand for the Board, which allowed a fellow Board member, presumably a friend of yours, to be re elected to the Board in 2010 and again in the recent AGM. This happened just after that Board member lost the vote at the Branch AGM to be the Branch representative and as a result would not have been able to stand for election to the Board shortly afterwards. So that is your idea of how a democratic system works.
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Baaa
# COMMENT_TITLE_RE RE: Free SpeechBaaa 2011-10-20 21:45
Stan, I can only regard your idea of democracy as rather strange.
Members of the public can visit Parliament and watch their reps “at work”. Why can’t ordinary WIRES members attend BMC meetings as observers?
Why is it that in your own Branch of WIRES, members are even denied access to minutes of the BMC?
And why are Honorary Life Members of WIRES being told they are no longer Life Members simply because the Woolgoolga Branch (of which they were founding members) has amalgamated to become the Mid North Coast Branch?
If you prefer people to be open and honest, perhaps you could set an example by releasing all the documents associated with the “investigation” into the infamous Kurnell 2009 incident ... for a start.
And it is not necessary to advise me again to get a solicitor. I already have one!
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vampiro
# RE: Free Speechvampiro 2011-10-22 11:36
[This post was slightly edited S.]
This hectoring, somewhat intimidatory, offensive approach is absolutely typical of Stan when he was chairperson. I recognize his style very clearly, from some letters I received from him a few years ago when I dared to question some of his associates [EDIT] in our branch [EDIT]. I don’t think Stan understands what democracy means. He behaves autocratically and encourages his mates to do the same. While he pulls the strings, whether up front or behind the scenes, the organisation will not work democratically, and wildlife will therefore suffer as good carers continue to receive this kind of short shrift if they dare to differ. Could someone explain exactly what power Stan wields, officially and/ or unofficially, within the organisation? I would also like to know the nature of Stan’s [EDIT] relationship with the NSW Wildlife Council, and [EDIT] National Parks and Wildlife Service?
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smurfette
# RE: Free Speechsmurfette 2011-10-22 19:37
Mr Wood, how can you say local WIRES Committee members are demorcratically voted in, when nominations come from previous and past bed fellows of those that are already on the Committee, and seconds come from the person nominated. You have it sewn up, there can be no change. Give a show of hands at the AGM so that those present can be counted and then we can all see who is really wanted on the committee.
It’s time to break the “FAMILY HOLD” held over members heads and allow those that have grievances to come forward without the fear of hitting the wall by having no one with a varying opinion to back you up, instead of having the fear of being thrown out held over our heads if we dare to have a different opinion from those on the Committee..
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2011-10-23 10:19
I got it at last. To be a reformer you get to take no notice of what a persons skills are or how hard they work and talk instaed about their personal life. Have to remember that or I’ll be a bad reformer.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2011-10-23 20:04
I got it at last! To be a non-reformer you should say nothing of substance and blindly tow the line. Appreciate skills like avoiding questions, secretiveness, and being deliberately obtuse. Oh and don’t ever question motives. Never think there might be more to it. Please don’t look too hard you might see something! Incompetence - what’s that? What a joke!
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pinky
# RE: Free Speechpinky 2011-10-26 22:50
Stan you say that WIRES members can vote the board out starting in their own branches if that is what they want. Can you tell the members how that works Stan? What would be the process? As pointed out by An Eagle a branch did this and this unelected member simply moved onto a team and re-assumed her position on the council and subsequently the board as if nothing had happened. What would be the branch members next move Stan? Could you advise them?
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The Bailiff
# RE: Free SpeechThe Bailiff 2012-01-21 11:11
Stan. We would all like to hear the answer. It has been 3 months now.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-01-27 19:59
There are many members who would like to know how to do this from you Stan, the expert in manoevres..
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reptile
# RE: Free Speechreptile 2011-10-28 11:33
yer right stan when i wanted to be co-ordinate for the [EDIT]. i got abusive emails and phone calls. from other people because she couldn’t handle the competition instead of waiting for the agm and letting everyone have a vote for who they wonted and the committee did nothing to stop it and you are on that board.
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Pelican
# RE: Free SpeechPelican 2011-11-01 14:23
What IS FAR more contemptible & pathetic Stan is that you & your cronies supported a [EDIT] group of [EDIT] within our Branch, that excluded those with better standards of care & higher abilities than their own.
I am also well aware of your failure to recognise & welcome the integrity & abilities of some members you & your cronies hounded out of the organisation.
I thought you had crawled back under a rock; that you would dare to continue your toxicity is totally abhorrent to me.
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Mutt
# RE: Free SpeechMutt 2011-11-14 20:24
And this is coming from the same Stan Wood who used to be chair and gm at the same time? The same Stan who after a falling out started a personal vendetta against Chris? Just asking because if it were, your post makes no sense and appears pointless.
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a guest
# RE: Free Speecha guest 2012-01-03 06:57
The branches tried this in 2010 when 3 branches voted out their reps who were long standing board members after a leaflet from the Wires Action Group called on branches to overthrow the board. There was hell to pay. Two of these board members walked out of their branches and wouldn’t have anything more to do with them, one being the current secretary who remains inactive in her branch. The third created so much havic in the branch that the new elected council rep with over 30 experienced carees resigned and moved to another caring group leaving this branch a skeleton, Shortly after Stan Wood and his board set up the whitch hunt of members using a private investigator.
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possum mum
# RE: Free Speechpossum mum 2012-02-26 01:15
you have a hide stan
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The zepplin
# RE: Free SpeechThe zepplin 2012-02-26 11:30
no, stan, yet again you are wrong and self serving. What is more contemptible is you and your friends who continue to spout your crap about democracy. The Board is not democratic - either in its election or its function. Democracy is not met when people are bullied and shut down at every turn, particularly in every Council meeting. You and your friends (being all but one of the current Board) should piss off (and take a couple of your cronies - who were not democraticly elected) with you.
Leave WIRES to be run by people who are not in it for their own egos.
the zep
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a gusest
# RE: Free Speecha gusest 2012-03-15 21:49
You’ve said it all Zepplin. If they went members could rebuild and elect a team who would work for members and the animals instead of themselves and their power trip.
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OLIVER HARDY.
# RE: Free SpeechOLIVER HARDY. 2012-03-16 14:14
’NOW LOOK WHAT YOU’VE DONE STANLEY ’!
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amazed
# RE: Free Speechamazed 2012-06-19 18:06
The former chair says the WIres Board is democratically elected every year. What a joke. The former Chair obviously has no understanding how a democratic system works.
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T Rantulla
# Taxidermy or A Pair Stuffed ChairsT Rantulla 2012-08-27 07:55
Stan. Baby.

What are you smocking Dood.

The Wires Board Democratic?? I fell off the chair and wet my nappy when I read that.

We wouldn’t mind John Howard taking over The Wires Chair. The DEMOlition would turn into DEMOcracy

To condemn a member without right of reply because the Wires Manager Miss lie anne Muffat was afraid to admit that she was scared off by the hairy legged truth her incompetence and lack of people skills. Stan! The whole Scenario of Ms Muffat was a lie a mere fiction of her sensitivity and nobody from the Board has denied it. Because it would be a subject for litigation. It Seems Stanley that you have done it again and passed the batten onto Little Willy Thomson Who with the guidance and manipulation of the Secretary Merrilee GoRoundInCircles. AKA The Pied-Piper of Hamstrung are heading like lemmings into the abyss instead of into the labyrinth of Knowledge Skill Altruism and Experience. Wake up to yourselves before you and little Willy destroy what Hard Working Caring Volunteers have built from scratch. Stan. You have had your fair go and stuffed it. Maybe you should take up taxidermy.
You can count on me for the purchase of a stuffed Chair or two.
Unlike the Members of wires You can reply to this and it will be considered. But my mind is made up so don't waste your breath. There is a new game we have invented. It's called "Where is Willy".
He doesn't seem brave enough to come out of hiding and face the fans? or justify the lack of an annual report.
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margaret
# RE: Taxidermy or A Pair Stuffed Chairsmargaret 2012-08-27 14:28
T. Rantulla you have taken me back to read again the postings on Stan Wood. Nothing has changed since he commented on reformwires last year and he is still there behind the scenes on the governance team with Merrilee Verhoeven running WIRES.
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megan
# RE: Taxidermy or A Pair Stuffed Chairsmegan 2012-08-27 17:08
And still not doing a good job. I can't think of a thing the governance has done!
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a member
# RE: Taxidermy or A Pair Stuffed Chairsa member 2012-08-28 08:18
Can't find any mention of the governance team on the WIRES intranet. If they are supposed to bring in good governance to WIRES and make sure all members are given a fair and equal go then they are there in name only. Any team would be costing WIRES money in travelling and resources so I reckon they should be held account and all members should be getting a report on what they are doing.
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Manny Pulator
# Behind the Scenes? Behind the Obscene'sManny Pulator 2012-08-28 09:01
Touché Margaret. more like behind the barn?

Behoven to non.

The Un elected Manipulator. Can't get in with Integrity so sneaks in through the doggy door.

The Mad Bell Ringer of Notre Dame. "look at me .Look at me".

Pulling all the G strings and F sharp ropes jumping thither and yon. While the multitude ridicule and demise. You should meet some of her creepy 'facelessbook' fiends. I am two of them.

You can fool some of the volunteers all of the time. And all of the volunteers some of the time. But Merryillme you can make a fool of yourself on 'Facelessbook' any time. Trust me I'm your friend and you tell me fibs and bullshit me all the time.

Does anybody have the bell ringers music for ‘Ding Dong the Bwitch is dead.’ We will need somebody to learn it and play it.

Ps. MVH says she never reads this site. Let’s see.
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now clearer
# RE: Free Speechnow clearer 2013-03-10 19:43
There is little more contemptible and pathetic for someone who is on a board of a charity to put his own money into an investigation against members working for that charity because he has a personal vendetta against them.
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Bunyip Bluegum
# RE: Free SpeechBunyip Bluegum 2011-10-19 00:01
How refreshing. A site for unhappy WIRES members to be heard. There is much unhappiness and dissatisfaction in the ranks of WIRES most of it stemming from conflict resolution.
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circled by conflict
# RE: Free Speechcircled by conflict 2011-10-18 15:05
Hey Bunyip, when does conflict resolution ever happen?
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joey
# RE: Free Speechjoey 2011-10-18 22:38
Wonderful idea! I commend your dedication in starting this site.
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Wattlebird
# RE: Free SpeechWattlebird 2011-10-18 19:51
Hi Smurfette - couldn’t agree more - all volunteers want to do is give the very best care to the animals but if they dare offer a suggestion to their BMC to enable the smoother running of the Branch they are criticised, harrassed, ignored, ostracised as has happened up here. The only WIRES Branch that operates well (from my knowledge) is the Inner West Branch and they deserve congratulations. They work together with some fantastic members and a wonderful Chairperson. 50% of members across the State of NSW have either resigned or have stopped being active because of the politics.
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smurfette
# RE: Free Speechsmurfette 2011-10-18 17:24
Conflict resolution! Really does it happen in such a closed shop. At least now we can air our grievances with others treated unsatisfactorily within their branch. Lets concentrate on the animals and cut out the political rubbish.
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Wattlebird
# RE: Free SpeechWattlebird 2011-10-18 14:25
Fantastic new web site and should have happened a few years ago. Now WIRES members might get some justice. So much unhappiness has been caused by the previous and current Board and now it is the members turn to make the necessary changes to enable WIRES to be the wonderful wildlife organisation that it can be. At least now they (the Board) can’t censor us anymore and they can’t stop us sharing our information. I encourage all members, past and present, to share their troubles here. Well done to everyone concerned.
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reptile
# RE: Free Speechreptile 2011-10-19 11:56
i think this is great it is about time. i am a past member and was on the committee for two years. they don’t like me as i didn’t keep my mouth shut so they did everything that they could to get rid of me. it worked in the end. i had enough of wires so i left as i volunteer but was still a member. they made sure that my membership was canceled as well so i couldn’t come back.
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2011-10-20 09:29
Genuinely puzzled - how can you leave as a volunteer but not as a member? ALL members are volunteers, the two go together. If you leave you leave. e.g. you resign, which means leaving or you go inactive which is different.
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vampiro
# RE: Free Speechvampiro 2011-10-22 11:27
I think I know what reptile means - s/he stopped being active as a volunteer but was still a paid up member. Wonder how the membership was cancelled? I’m curious as I know my branch would love to cancel mine (9I ask questions), but can’t if I don’t do anything wrong!
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Guest
# RE: Free SpeechGuest 2011-10-22 21:46
If she applied to go inactive she would just have had a note put against her name not to be called - the way you do if going into hospital for example. If she resigned, she resigned and there is no difference between resigning as a volunteer and as a member. It would depend on the way she worded her withdrawal. A resignation is in place and can’t be withdrawn from the itme it is accepted.
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Magnum P.I.
# RE: Free SpeechMagnum P.I. 2011-10-23 20:12
Good question: How many members sit around on the inactive list? They turn up to vote (maybe) at a branch AGM to support a friend but do bugger all the rest of the time. WIRES counts these inactive members doesn’t it? I wonder if WIRES is as big as it says it is in reality. Is there really enough volunteers in some areas to justify keeping other groups out as is the rule now with licensing? I wonder if some people only join WIRES to get the authority to look after sick fauna, then go off and do what they like, ignoring all WIRES rules - does WIRES uniformly police its rules? You can’t get an individual license anymore if WIRES is in your area... and they are in every area! So you sort of have to join don’t you?
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It’s time
# RE: Free SpeechIt’s time 2011-11-05 18:21
Yes numbers can be deceiving. If there are so many members how come I keep hearing from MOP that their calls are not acted on?
And the recent changes to the licencing means that new groups can not fill that defecit.
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Blinky Bill
# RE: Free SpeechBlinky Bill 2011-10-18 07:37
At last! An opportunity to speak freely without having yours contribution censored and without fear of retaliation.
Let’s hope other WIRES and ex-Wires members, as well as members of the public who have had “experiences” with WIRES, will have their say.
Thanks.
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